Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Only Fate Remains


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Difficult close; should be Delete by weight of numbers but I am very aware of WP:CSB. Nevertheless, whilst it is true that 3VOOR12 is indeed a reliable source, all of the references to this band (and the other) are in the "local" section of the website that deals with Den Haag only; the equivalent, if you will, of a local newspaper. On that basis there seems to be little reason not to consider the Delete votes valid. Black Kite (t) (c) 22:45, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Only Fate Remains

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Does not appear to meet WP:BAND. Singularity42 (talk) 17:20, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Also nominating the following related article: - the former name of the band

Finally, if this article is deleted, then Template:Only Fate Remains should also be deleted. Singularity42 (talk) 17:25, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 19:23, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Copied from Talk:Trisomy (band):
 * the page covers the history of a band that goes by a new name, but until that time was one of the influences in the Dutch female fronted scene for over 14 years. As such, I believe it should be further updated and referenced, but not deleted!
 * in addition, the band conforms with WP:BAND: Has won or placed in a major music competition. This band was in the semi-finals of the Dutch National band contest as the only one in its genre, representing the entire genre for that year in the category Rock.
 * (http://www.groteprijsvan.nl/)
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michielvv (talk • contribs) 19:14, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It seems relevant to the discussion here. Monty  845  19:36, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * (directed to Michielvv, not Monty845) You founded the band. You're not exactly in a position to objectively say, wihtout sources, that the band "was one of the influences in the Dutch female fronted scene for over 14 years".  Also, are these competitions "major music competitions"? Singularity42 (talk) 19:49, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * regarding my objectivity; fair point. I cannot state this by myself without any sources. I will need some days, to add the resources.
 * regarding the "major music competitions". This is THE band contest of the Netherlands. There is nothing like it:http://www.groteprijsvan.nl/.
 * NB: does it help the current drummer played in Elfi-Jarz (signed by major label Virgin records), vocalist sang in 4Girlz (got a hit in the Netherlands with DingeDong, signed by major label CNR Music (Arcade Entertainment)) and ex-guitar player is the current guitar player of Stream of Passion (signed by major label Nuclear Blast)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michielvv (talk • contribs) 21:05, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Did not win or place in a major contest, only made the semis and there was many semi finalists. Notability is not inherited from other bands. duffbeerforme (talk) 02:07, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Someone deleted the text (thanks). WP:BAND applies as: Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.128.60.82 (talk) 13:16, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, causa sui (talk) 03:13, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * looking at the new sources, still lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. none are both non trivial and reliable. !vote still stands. duffbeerforme (talk) 11:27, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * still lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. none are both non trivial and reliable - So you are saying that Dutch media is independent nor reliable? Do you have a independent and reliable resource for your statement?Michielvv (talk) 20:53, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No, that's not what I said, do not misrepresent what I wrote. duffbeerforme (talk) 10:48, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Assuming that you find Dutch media such as VPRO reliable: what would you find to be a non trivial source? I may then understand what you mean?Michielvv (talk) 20:05, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

contribs) 20:02, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:BAND and no separate meeting of WP:GNG. Simply lacks the significant coverage in independent reliable sources to achieve notability. Bridgeplayer (talk) 17:09, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * with WP:GNG solved and aligned to WP:BAND, both are solved right?Michielvv (talk) 20:06, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
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