Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ontario New Democratic Party leadership election, 1982


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The result was keep all. Deryck C. 20:14, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Ontario New Democratic Party leadership election, 1982

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Not news. A state or provincial internal part election is excessive detail for an individual encyclopedia. We have Ontario CCF/NDP leadership elections which is appropriate and sufficient detail, and there is thus no need to merge or redirect.

I'm also nominating the 2 other similar articles for the 1996 and 2009 elections:  DGG ( talk ) 19:20, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Ontario New Democratic Party leadership election, 2009
 * Ontario New Democratic Party leadership election, 1996
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 21:44, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Suttungr (talk) 02:44, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep all Firstly there is plentiful significant coverage to meet the main notability guideline, so that should not be in question. The articles also meet the Notability (events) guideline due to firstly having a lasting and significant effect (the leaders leading the parties for many years and Bob Rae going on to be Premier of Ontario), secondly they received coverage at least nationally across Canada, so is not just local coverage, and thirdly is not just a short burst of coverage - for the 2009 election for instance the coverage lasted for over a year. As such these are definitely not the routine news reports that WP:NOTNEWS talks about (writing about the 1982 election 33 years after the event also stretches my definition of NOTNEWS to breaking point). Wikipedia has long had this type of articles as can be seen in Category:Leadership elections in Canada and I struggle to see how these New Democrat elections are any different to any of the others. Per WP:POLITICIAN we consider all members of the Ontario Legislative Assembly to be notable so a leadership election for a major party in that assembly, that gets significant coverage should be notable. The list of elections cannot explain and provide the reasons and details about the elections that the reader wants and needs, rather than just an unexplained list of results, which individual articles can do. The articles could certainly be improved, but the Good Article nominee article - Scottish Labour Party leadership election, 2014 - shows how this can be done. Davewild (talk) 09:12, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep all Leadership elections for major Ontario political parties are all notable. If you nominate these articles you would also have to nominate the seven articles for Ontario Liberal Party leadership elections and the twelve articles for Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario leadership elections. Suttungr (talk) 18:48, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * If this is deleted I will do just that. Looking at Leadership_election, except for Canada, all the others are national elections, not provincial. I'm not suggesting removing the information.   DGG ( talk ) 03:54, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The list you reference is far from comprehensive. If you want a non-Canadian example, there are several Scottish leadership articles which have a similar sub-nationality to them as do Canadian provinces. Suttungr (talk) 10:45, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * And all of the ones that exist for British Columbia and Alberta and Saskatchewan and Manitoba and Quebec and New Brunswick and Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island and Newfoundland too. Bearcat (talk) 15:03, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 11:37, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Although further sourcing improvements would certainly still be welcome, "provincial vs. national" is not what constitutes the difference between a leadership election that gets a standalone article and one that just gets a subsection in an overview list — the amount of work that people are prepared to put into writing and sourcing substantive detail about the election, beyond a mere table of the vote totals, is what tips the scale one way or the other. All three of these articles do provide enough context and substance to stand alone, and are already not unsourced; while it's true that the ones before 1982 haven't been spun off from the parent list, that's because the work hasn't been actively undertaken by anyone and not because the topics fail to be eligible for that treatment. By all means flag for further referencing improvement, but all three of these should be kept. Bearcat (talk) 14:49, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep all. A valuable addition to Ontario's political history. It takes good research efforts to put articles like these together and it would be a shame to lose them. Atrian (talk) 02:42, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
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