Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ook Ook


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Brainfuck. Content was merged but then removed. (non-admin closure) Ansh666 04:42, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Ook Ook

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No assertion of notability. Of no real academic value because of isomorphism to brainfuck. ï¿½ (talk) 20:23, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge to Brainfuck per the existing discussion which appears to have gained a rough consensus but was never executed. Ivanvector (talk) 20:34, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I'd call that a consensus. Of four participants, one was opposed, one was in favor "only in case we can provide reliable sources", and two expressed no opinion. Agyle (talk) 08:32, 21 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge to Brainfuck per . – Davey 2010 •  (talk)  20:36, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge to Brainfuck per above. I must admit the article made me laugh! Philg88 ♦talk 09:04, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:38, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:38, 19 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge as above. Not independently notable. --Colapeninsula (talk) 10:57, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete, don't merge. Insufficient significant reliable source coverage establishing "notability" for keeping, and no reliable source establishing a connection to Brainfuck for merging. Poétique des codes sur le réseau informatique and Learn Pearl 1 are both (is a) reliable source s that provide modest coverage to the topic, but not enough to establish notability, or to provide reasonable encyclopedic coverage of the topic (e.g. any information about its creation). Neither mentions its connection to Brainfuck. Both articles cite dangermouse.net's Ook! page as a reference, and while I don't consider that a reliable source, perhaps some would accept it as "inheriting reliability" from the books. It says Ook! is "essentially isomorphic" to Brainfuck but with fewer syntax elements, a claim I'd dispute; they both have eight syntactically identical commands . The Wikipedia Ook article also cites a topdesignmag.com post which says Ook! is similar to Brainfuck. If consensus accepts either of those two links as reliable sources, it verifies a similarity between Ook! and Brainfuck that could warrant some merging, though even then it's not verifiable through the sources whether one was based off the other, or which came first. Agyle (talk) 07:01, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The "fewer syntax elements" referred to the three differently-punctuated "Ook" elements, which in pairs formed eight commands. Also, it seems Dangermouse.net is the webpage of the creator of Ook!, not just the author of a description of it, and as such probably constitutes a reliable (though primary, non-independent) source. Also, note that Learn Perl 1 is self-published through lulu.com, and not a reliable source. Agyle (talk) 08:07, 21 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment An article on the same subject was previously nominated for deletion four times:
 * Articles for deletion/David Morgan-Mar "No result" 5 March 2006 (multi-article AfD)
 * Articles for deletion/Ook! programming language "No consensus" 5 April 2006
 * Articles for deletion/Esoteric programming languages "Delete" 5 September 2006 (multi-article AfD began 30 March 2006!)
 * Articles for deletion/Ook! programming language (second nomination) "Delete" 24 September 2006
 * Agyle (talk) 07:30, 21 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Brainfuck, where it is already mentioned. I have not found in-depth RS to establish notability. But uncontroversial facts, like the language exists and is a derivative of Brainfuck, are verifiable in authoritative primary sources like the creator's Ook! page. It's worth a redirect to the Brainfuck derivates section, per WP:PRESERVE, but a full merge would give it undue weight in my opinion--there are lots of BF derivatives out there. --Mark viking (talk) 22:09, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.