Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Opéra bouffon


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:47, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Opéra bouffon

 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )

Duplicate of Opéra bouffe. Yann (talk) 03:42, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep because it's clearly not a duplicate of "Opéra bouffe". In fact, the article says "The term is sometimes confused with the French opéra comique and opéra bouffe." If Grove has 2 distinct entries, so should Wikipedia. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:03, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:39, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been notified to WikiProject Opera. Voceditenore (talk) 10:06, 13 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep per Michael Bednarek. —Cote d&#39;Azur (talk) 06:37, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per Michael Bednarek. I've added sources to the talk pages of both Opéra bouffon and Opéra bouffe which would allow for further expansion of each + some further reading (albeit in French) to Opéra bouffon. Voceditenore (talk) 08:28, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Can we say there is indeed a problem, not quite simple enough to solve by a deletion and/or redirect? Opera buffa defines Opéra bouffon as a fr. equivalent, while Opéra bouffon has a hat note warning against confusion. Like bouffon, Opéra bouffe doesn't attempt a definition that would distinguish it from the other two. If we are to believe that La belle Hélène and Orphée aux enfers actually represent distinct genres, an explanation is really in order. Sparafucil (talk) 09:03, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Make redirect to Opera buffa, now that I realize my confusion about which article had the hatnote. I'm still unenlightened about exactly what bouffe means. Sparafucil (talk) 09:12, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * In the 20th century it came to be a sort of French slang for stuffing yourself with food. e.g La Grande Bouffe. However, that was not the derivation of the term as used in the Théâtre des Bouffes-Parisiens which in turn gave the name to the genre of operas produced there. Offenbach apparently chose the theatre's name as an allusion to the more chic Théâtre-Italien which produced Italian opera buffa and was sometimes informally referred to as les bouffes See . Voceditenore (talk) 13:14, 12 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep per Michael Bednarek.— Mythdon ( talk  •  contribs ) 09:14, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per Michael Bednarek. Softlavender (talk) 10:06, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per Michael --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:37, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per Gerda Arendt – They're separate topics. North America1000 14:11, 13 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep per Michael Accesscrawl (talk) 11:16, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.