Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Operation Tight Screw (4th nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:19, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Operation Tight Screw
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Fails WP:NOTNEWS and WP:LASTING. The Article is "media speculation" about a supposedly military operation in 2012 that failed to get the necessary coverage it needs to pass WP:GNG other than news hit. Army denies any such operation. The keep vote in the last 3 AfD were too optimistic with the news hits and focussed on WP:FUTURE and Nominator issues. But come 2018 and even after 6 years since last Afd was closed there is no coverage or content other than passing mentions to merit an article. (Afd1 was closed as No consensus and Afd2 and 3 were Non admin closures)-- D Big X ray  13:26, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: Not to be confused with Operation Zarb-e-Azb that started in 2014.  D Big X ray  12:44, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 13:00, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 13:01, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions.  D Big X ray   13:01, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Afghanistan-related deletion discussions.  D Big X ray   13:01, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Comment. I found some additional references. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 13:05, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Please note Forums blogs or unconfirmed Media speculations as listed above are not counted as valid refs.-- D Big X ray  13:07, 8 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment. The article already has some good references. It would be helpful if someone could search in Urdu and the other languages of Pakistan. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 13:12, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I appreciate policy based discussion. Pakistan Speaks English and Urdu, so sources If exist are not hard. There is lack of detailed coverage hence fails WP:NOTNEWS I am open to withdrawing if we can have consensus.-- D Big X ray  13:25, 8 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete -- This has the feel of an article about a rumour. It is not helped by having a series of blank sections for successive years, which suggests that the editor creating it expected to have a series of operations to report on, but never completed it.  I recommend deletion, without prejudice to re-creation if there is an article worth creating.  I note the first 3 AFDs were in 2012 and 2013, when people thought something might be happening.  That lack of anything being added since, strongly suggests that nothing was.  Is there anything in the Urdu WP?  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:13, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete and consider salting. How did this get through the first AfD discussion? Entirely speculative, not enough coverage that meets RS. NOTNEWS applies, in my view. Striker force Talk 18:16, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Agree, with User:Strikerforce and Peterkingiron older AfDs are perhaps the lab specimen examples of why arguments based on WP:FUTURE with "current news hits of speculative reporting" as sources should be avoided like the plague at AfDs.-- D Big X ray   19:09, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * If it had been real, it would have been significant, but we could not know that at the time: it then looked real. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:47, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I'd like a more solid consensus first before overturning the results of the earlier AfDs.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  11:29, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, with no verifiable evidence except of speculation and the military denying it ever happened. No prejudice to recreation if any verifiable information surfaces. — Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:57, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Article: a secretive joint military operation which the Pakistan military had claimed they were going to launch. WP:CRYSTAL: Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. WP:NOTRUMOUR: Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumors.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  19:49, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 14:57, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete A bang that fizzled. To quote from the first AFD, "We should wait for now to see if the operation gets more coverage". Well, it didn't. --GRuban (talk) 12:06, 23 August 2018 (UTC)


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