Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Optoma Corporation


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. (non-admin closure) Toadette Edit! 12:28, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Optoma Corporation

 * – ( View AfD View log | edits since nomination)

Sources are largely thinly-disguised press releases with no real evidence of notability per WP:NORG. Previously deleted and salted as Optoma * Pppery * it has begun... 17:38, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies, Taiwan,  and England.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:47, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  18:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak keep after rewrite Good day— RetroCosmos talk 04:39, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The article notes from Google Translate: "Optoma is a company established in 2002 by Zhongqiang Optoelectronics, which is engaged in projector OEM. Among Japanese brands, which account for almost 90% of the global projector market, they have captured 8% of the world's market share in the past eight years, second only to the century-old Japanese brand EPSON. This Taiwanese projector brand that did not exist eight years ago is already the second largest in the world."   The article notes: "中光電（5371）旗下奧圖碼以「Optoma」自有品牌在CES推出高階投影機，今年以自牌投影機在全球銷售量可達60萬台，坐穩全球第四大、美國市場第二大，將以720p與1080p普及、高階機種來打開全球市場. " From Google Translate: "Optoma, a subsidiary of China Optoelectronics (5371), launched high-end projectors at CES under its own brand "Optoma". This year, global sales of its own-brand projectors reached 600,000 units, ranking fourth in the world and second in the U.S. market. It will compete in the global market with popular and high-end models of 720p and 1080p."   The article notes: "全球最大DLP投影機品牌的奧圖碼科技（3565），與德儀（TI）挺進中小企業DLP投影機市場，昨（15）日發表五款普及型至高階的商用機種，擴大在台灣商用市場占有率至20%以上；奧圖碼（Optoma）自有品牌的DLP投影機市占今年蟬聯全球及台灣第一，" From Google Translate: "Optoma Technology (3565), the world's largest DLP projector brand, and TI have entered the DLP projector market for small and medium-sized enterprises. Yesterday (15th), they released five popular to high-end commercial models, expanding their commercial use in Taiwan The market share has reached more than 20%; Optoma's own-brand DLP projector has ranked first in the world and in Taiwan this year."   The article notes: "全球第二大投影機品牌的奧圖碼科技（3565）昨（11）日首日登錄興櫃的均價以98.16元收盤，開出好彩頭. 今年奧圖碼以「Optoma」自有品牌目標在全球市場賣出50萬台，坐穩全球第二大，在DLP投影機的機種則位居全球第一；其母公司中光電（5371）則是全球DLP投影機最大的OEM╱ODM代工廠，今年出貨量將成長逾二成、達80萬台新高. " From Google Translate: "Optoma Technology (3565), the world's second largest projector brand, closed at an average price of 98.16 yuan on its first day of trading yesterday (11th), a good start. This year, Optoma aims to sell 500,000 units of its own brand "Optoma" in the global market, ranking second in the world. It ranks first in the world in DLP projector models; its parent company China Optoelectronics (5371) It is the largest OEM/ODM factory of DLP projectors in the world, and its shipments this year will increase by more than 20%, reaching a new high of 800,000 units."   The article notes: "奧圖碼科技實收資本額6.09億元，董事長為李有田，主要產品為投影機及影像處理器. 主要法人大股東為中強光電，持股比率52.74%. ... 奧圖碼去年投影機出貨量為35萬2166台，較前年的逾17萬台成長102.4%. "  From Google Translate: "Optoma Technology has a paid-in capital of 609 million yuan. Its chairman is Li Youtian. Its main products are projectors and image processors. The main legal person shareholder is Zhongqiang Optoelectronics, with a shareholding ratio of 52.74%. ... Optoma's projector shipments last year were 352,166 units, an increase of 102.4% from more than 170,000 units the previous year." </li> <li> The article notes: "IDC昨（2）日公布第2季台灣前五大投影機廠商出貨量排名，依序為愛普生、NEC、佳世達（2352）旗下明基、中光電旗下奧圖碼，以及台達電旗下的麗訊. " From Google Translate: "IDC announced yesterday (2) the ranking of the top five projector manufacturers in Taiwan in terms of shipments in the second quarter. In order, they are Epson, NEC, BenQ of Qisda (2352), Optoma of China Optoelectronics, and Delta Electronics." </li> <li> The article notes: "Optoma這個品牌是3C業界的「菜鳥」，由原來叫志紅科技，郭特利接掌後改中文為「奧圖碼」，不到兩年成為國內投影機第一品牌，讓投影機大廠Epson、BenQ也不得不視為「可敬的對手」. " From Google Translate: "The Optoma brand is a "rookie" in the 3C industry. It was originally called Zhihong Technology. After Guo Teli took over, the Chinese name was changed to "Optoma". In less than two years, it became the number one projector brand in the country, leaving major projector manufacturers behind. Epson and BenQ have to be regarded as "respectable opponents"." </li> <li>PCMag reviews:<ol> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "No built-in streaming apps or bundled dongle. Shows frequent rainbow artifacts. Image quality for HDR isn't as good as for SDR. Pricey for what it delivers." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Only one of the two HDMI ports offers the short input lag. Limited number of streaming apps" </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Integrated streaming is better ignored in favor of an HDMI dongle (which demands a second remote). Only two of three HDMI ports support 4K with HDR. More prone to rainbow artifacts than most UST DLP projectors." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "No support for HLG, the emerging HDR standard for broadcast TV. Remote often jumps two menu spots with one button-press. No carry case." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Black level is too high on default settings. Default settings leave some colors a little too dark or unsaturated. Optical zoom is only 1.1x." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "With default settings, some hues are noticeably off for both SDR and HDR content. High brightness works well in ambient light, but means disappointing blacks and three-dimensionality in dark rooms." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Black level not ideal for dark rooms. Dark scenes look better in 1080p SDR than downgraded 4K HDR." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Only one HDMI port; USB port is only for power out. Onboard audio is poor. Lacks image shift for setup." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Only one of the two HDMI ports offers the short input lag. Limited number of streaming apps" </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Shows rainbow artifacts in video testing." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Poor instructions. Interactive feature is more difficult to set up than with competing projectors." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Serious image quality problems with some source material at the brightest setting. Shows rainbow artifacts." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Native resolution is lower than today's latest gaming systems offer." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Shows rainbow artifacts, primarily in black-and-white film clips. Long lag time." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Rainbow effect in video. Relatively weak audio." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Shows rainbow artifacts, particularly in black-and-white film clips. Has additional image-quality issues in its brightest predefined mode." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Obvious rainbow artifacts in video make it suitable for short video clips only." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Obvious rainbow artifacts in video make it suitable for short video clips only." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "No remote. Primitive menu system. Weak audio. Very modest brightness." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Rainbow effect in video more severe than is usual. No port for USB thumb drive." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Displays rainbow artifacts. Shows posterization in its brightest mode." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Sub-par video, largely due to rainbow effect. Lacks port for USB thumb drive." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Shows rainbow artifacts, primarily in black and white film clips." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Shows rainbow artifacts, primarily in black-and-white film clips." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Low brightness by today's standards. 3D support limited to PC connection (VGA or HDMI) only." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Sub-par video. Rainbow effect." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Not for bass lovers. Expensive." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Screen material gives off strong chemical odor when new." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Sub-par video. Rainbow effect. Very soft audio." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Touchpad controls are hard to use. Showed scaling artifacts (unwanted patterns added to some screens) at its native resolution in our tests." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Video is suitable for only short clips. Obvious rainbow artifacts in video." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Tendency to show rainbow artifacts makes video suitable for short clips only. Underpowered audio." </li> </ol></li> <li>TechRadar reviews:<ol> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Long-throw lens. Some light leakage in a blackout. Average black levels. Fiddly remote." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Requires a large room. Greenish 'bright' mode. Poor built-in speaker." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Less bright than its predecessor. Doesn't support HLG HDR over HDMI. Smart app choice limited." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "60Hz judder with PAL content. Poor 50Hz de-interlacing. Unevenness in brightness." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Somewhat limited colour fidelity. Manual lens control. Expensive." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Black levels merely average. Peak HDR color issues. Audio glitches. Gaming lag." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Blooming around flames and bright light sources. Can't cut down size of projection." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Alexa features add little. No digital keystone. Alexa set up issues." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Sub-par built-in OS. Limited to HD streaming." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Huge price tag. No quiet speaker option. Average contrast & black levels. No auto-focus or zoom." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Basic mono speaker. Rainbow effect. Uninspired design. Rudimentary remote control." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "HD sources look poor. Black levels not the best. No protective case." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Fixed optics. Adequate image quality. Limited battery life." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Not exceptionally bright. Some motion blur. 1.1x zoom. Limited to HDMI." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Only one HDMI. Big size. Loud fan noise. Fiddly focus ring. Optional 3D & wireless." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Black level is inevitably limited. Operating noise is high in full brightness mode." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Not for use in larger rooms. Gets loud." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Super short range. Excessive heat and noise. Imperfect audio. Poor daytime performance." </li> <li> The review notes in the "Cons" summary: "Flimsy top panel. Limited HDR effect. Occasional HDR colour flaw. Slightly high input lag." </li> </ol></li>

<li>Additional reviews:<ol>

<li> The review notes: "Cons - In-built speakers are a letdown - Limited vertical shift, no horizontal shift - Zoom and shift functions aren’t motorised." </li> <li> The review notes: "Optoma is known for building affordable projectors, so the $3,700 CinemaX P1 might not seem that cheap. ... And while this projector doesn't deliver the picture quality of more costly native 4K long-throw projectors from JVC and Sony, it's brighter than many of those models.Yes, the streaming apps are terrible, but a $70 Chromecast or $40 Amazon Fire Stick solves that problem." </li> <li> The review notes: "If you’re purely a gamer that won’t use a projector for anything else, it might make sense to save a few more bucks and wait to invest in a product like the BenQ X1300i or the Optoma UHD38. But if you stream as much as you game, the HD39HDR is a no-brainer at this price. The sheer brightness, ease of setup and use, and exceptional picture quality of the HD39HDR easily outweigh issues like sound quality and unimpressive connections." </li> <li> The cons summary notes: "It's bigger than you expect. Rainbow effect may or may not impact your viewing experience. Not true pixel-perfect 4K resolution, but good enough. Only one HDMI port supports HDMI 2.2. Remote backlighting is blinding. No keystone correction. Can't they make one in matte black?" </li> <li> The cons summary notes: "Requires a dark room, projector screen, and sound system with HDMI pass-through. No high refresh rates for consoles. No G-Sync or FreeSync support." </li> <li> The review notes: "Optoma sells a virtually identical projector, the H79, for $10,000 whose only apparent difference is hand-picked optics, deemed the best. ... The Optoma is among the quietest projectors, producing only 25 decibels in standard mode. ... Some analog cable channels look like a snowy mush with the Optoma." </li> <li> The article notes: "Just slip Optoma's Pico projector out of your pocket and turn that blank wall in the lounge into an instant movie screen. About the size of a cell phone, the 4-oz. (113 g) PK-101 can project an image up to 60 in. (150 cm) in diameter, at a reasonably sharp (if far short of HD) resolution of 480 pixels by 320 pixels, and it even has a tiny built-in speaker." </li> </ol> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Optoma to pass Notability (organizations and companies), which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 10:12, 13 April 2024 (UTC) </li></ul> Relisting comment: There are an awful lot of sources included in this discussion, some of which are in off-line sources, and a lot of them are product reviews but it would help to have an editor or two weigh in about whether they can help establish WP:NORG. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:47, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Merge with Coretronic: its parent company. There is no company called "Optoma Corporation" There's one called "Optoma Technology", doing business as Optoma. "Optoma Corporation" is a fiction created by a sneaky editor trying to get around a salted page. The REFBOMBed sources shown here mostly cover the company's products. I did not go over all of them to see if there are three decent SIGCOV ones in there. If there were, I'm guessing we wouldn't be flooded with over 60 low-quality refs. Owen&times; &#9742;  21:54, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * My position is that the projector brand Optoma is notable through significant coverage in Taiwanese publications as well as numerous product reviews. I linked to 58 product reviews to show that the brand is notable, not to "REFBOMB". There was a recent discussion about using product reviews to establish notability for the company at Wikipedia talk:Notability (organizations and companies)#Notability of products vis a vis notability of the corporation. I will mention the AfD there. Three editors separately wrote:<ol><li>"That said, if there are several products by a company, and those products have received sufficient significant coverage such that they are notable as a group or notable independently, I think an article about the company that is effectively a list of those items would meet WP:NLIST."</li><li>"I think that your rationale argues for bundling of product articles, not for having an article on the company. That said, if there is GNG coverage of the products, and at least near-GNG coverage on the company, IMPO it would be within the norms in this area (albeit not explicitly supported by the guidelines) to have an article on the company if it is the place that the products are covered."</li><li>"I would generally say that the purposes of the encyclopedia are better served by bundling notable products under their manufacturer, and treating the notability of the products as the notability of the company that makes them. This would only apply for products that are, in fact, notable, and discretely made by a single manufacturer."</li></ol>Sources published in 2007 and 2011 said the Optoma brand was the second largest projector brand by market share in the world, behind Epson. This strongly contributes to notability. Cunard (talk) 09:24, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


 *  Comment Keep - Leaning to keep only if the Chinese language sources provided by Cunard are reliable. If the Chinese language sources are not reliable, then I am more than willing to change to a delete vote. None of the tech reviews give notability to the company as they are solely about the product not the company itself. If the article is not deleted, it should also be redirected to Optoma instead as "Optoma Corporation" does not appear to be the common name, and it is only used by their corporate websites. ⁂CountHacker (talk) 07:48, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * , I agree with a rename from "Optoma Corporation" to "Optoma". Global Views Monthly is a Taiwanese magazine. This article from Springer Nature's peer-reviewed journal International Journal of Corporate Social Responsibility says, "Another reputable magazine within the same business group as the Common Wealth is the Global Views Monthly, which has also received multiple media awards." Economic Daily News is a Taiwanese business newspaper published by the United Daily News Group, while United Evening News and Min Sheng Bao are Taiwanese newspapers also published by the United Daily News Group. I consider these four publications to be reliable sources for business topics. Cunard (talk) 09:24, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Changing my vote to keep based on the information & sources provided per Cunard. Seems to have been enough coverage in Taiwanese media. ⁂CountHacker (talk) 22:30, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment: I rewrote the article. Cunard (talk) 09:24, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The rewritten article looks much better to me from a quick glance, but I'm not familar generally with Chinese topics. And of course if kept the closing admin should move to Optoma. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 19:48, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep, while originally I would have agreed with the nominator following the extensive multi-language search and ensuing re-write by Cunard (for which a hearty thanks is in order) I would say that most likely (limited by my ability to only read the google translate versions of some of the articles rather than in their original language) we do have a notable stand alone topic here. Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 17:53, 20 April 2024 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.