Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Opus Dei and Catholic Church leaders


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was nomination withdrawn - see. Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 17:31, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Opus Dei and Catholic Church leaders


Unencyclopediac, non-notable subject, and to a lesser extent, a POV fork. THe page's topical is basically "Things that Catholic Church Leaders have said about Opus Dei"-- the page consists mostly of extended quotations which are mirrored at Wikiquote. I think the other 20-some Opus Dei subarticles probably are sufficient to cover the relationships between Opus Dei and the Catholic Church. Alecmconroy 09:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Turns out we didn't want to AFD, we just wanted to redirect. Nomination withdrawn, education obtained. --Alecmconroy 16:51, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 14:15, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep or merge to a valid target. I don't agree with the nom at all - the subject is not only encyclopedic but highly notable, and I'm not convinced the subject itself is a POV fork, either.  Regardless of your feelings, this is not a matter for deletion - we should either merge the information into the proper Opus Dei article/sub-article or keep this one as a valid sub-article and clean it up.  --badlydrawnjeff talk 13:28, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not that it's inappropriate to quote comments by Popes when talking it Opus Dei. It's totally appropriate to a certain extent.  We have quotes like these at the main Opus Dei article.  And at the Teachings of Opus Dei article.  And at  Controversies about Opus Dei, and at Opus Dei: Priestly Society of the Holy Cross and at Opus Dei in Spain.  And at Opus Dei: Responses to Cult Accusations.  And a whole giant page of them at WikiQuote.


 * Wanting to insert some positive quotes from Popes about Opus Dei is fine. But is there any limit to how many? After a certain point, I think it starts to cross the lines drawn by Wikipedia is not a soapbox and Wikipedia is not an indiscriminant collection of information.  --Alecmconroy 18:08, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure. My position on this article, thought, comes from one area: should we have an article on it.  If the information is logically worth spreading amongst other articles - or is already in other articles - then we don't lose anything by merging/redirecting.  If the information that can exist doesn't really fit anywhere else, we should have this article.  I don't know if I'm in a position to make that statement myself, but I don't believe that deletion is the option here, but rather discussion amongst other editors about how to handle the subject. --badlydrawnjeff talk 18:16, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * K. You were right.  I asked on IRC and was told that AFD is just we want to completely kill the page all together.  Having merged stuff into other articles and wikiquote, no AFD is needed, you just make the redirect. --Alecmconroy 16:50, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.