Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery Fellowship Training


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The result was delete. Ad Orientem (talk) 00:20, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery Fellowship Training

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Not notable. More a catalogue of courses. Rathfelder (talk) 21:23, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 21:57, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 21:57, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 21:57, 24 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. WP:NOTDIR. Wikipedia isn't a directory or catalogue of courses or education programmes. Ajf773 (talk) 22:44, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per Ajf773. This is not encyclopedic. Natureium (talk) 23:11, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete Delete as per above, and I would also say this meets WP:G11 criteria for speedy deletion. Jmertel23 (talk) 15:07, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:NOTDIR. D4iNa4 (talk) 19:13, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep It is indeed encyclopedic (like Medical Scientist Training Program), and there is room for improvement per Manual of Style/Embedded lists. That's the beauty of Wikipedia, a platform where you can look up neutral life-changing-information efficiently and reliably. As to notability, I just tested at https://search.yahoo.com/, and the results are just fine (this topic is NOT something nobody cares/talks about). Of course the article can link to living people and active institutions. The weird thing is, why is LARRY WOFORD in the beginning? WP:undue weight

I have three suggestions. Firstly, sort them into different countries (for Americans even if UK English is familiar, you still need to get the legal-paper-work done before flying to the UK for long-term training) (Countries may speak very little English). Secondly, alphabetical order (meaning "Craniofacial" is stated first, "Maxillofacial" is stated later). Thirdly, chronological order (meaning the older medical schools are stated first, the newer medical school are stated last). Tony85poon (talk) 07:19, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * This is not encyclopaedic. It's just a list of courses. Rathfelder (talk) 08:16, 30 January 2019 (UTC) In the latest version, the article begins with a 5-sentence-introduction. After reading the intro, the reader can then decide "Oh wow! This is interesting to me" or "this does not concern me at all, I better read something else". Tony85poon (talk) 08:32, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

[copy begin] Hospital General "Dr. Manuel Gea González" which is affiliated with the Escuela de Medicina de la Universidad Panamericana [es] (Translate to English, the School of Medicine of the Panamerican University) [finish copy]. It is not a stupid-list / catalogue / whatever-you-call-it anymore. It is relevant information tailor-made for people who live outside Mexico and don't speak the Spanish language. Tony85poon (talk) 00:37, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Answer: I barely speak Spanish (2nd most spoken). I don't have Spanish friends/ relatives. A Mexican is in a better position to find answers (the reliable source requirement) for the sake of the Article's reliability. If I were to try finding, it takes a lot of time. There is no reward for me editing Wikipedia, not worth the effort. I did have a similar experience with the Spanish language though. When I read about Deception Island, I saw this scientific station named after Gabriel de Castilla. I thought "Really? People in that Island speak Spanish?" With the help of google-translate, I understood the website (even though there is no English version of the website) which obviously contains information of a Spanish scientific station in that Island. As a Chinese, both English and Spanish are non-mother-tongue foreign languages to me. I stopped looking for a reliable source in English and straight-away inserted a link to that Spanish website as a reliable source in the 迪塞普遜島-article. Tony85poon (talk) 02:53, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment For those who have doubts:
 * 1) Are you sure that people in Hospital General "Dr. Manuel Gea González" perform surgery of that specific type? What if, it is only a place full of non-surgical doctors (physicians)?
 * 2) How can you prove that the Hospital is affiliated with the University?


 * Comment The fact that this article is essentially just a list of external links really pushes it over the edge for me in terms of being un-encyclopedic. Perhaps if the article were a more detailed description of the type of fellowship (rather than a list of fellowship programs), it could be encyclopedic, but for now - WP:TNT. Jmertel23 (talk) 16:54, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


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