Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Orange County Ramblers


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Because of the low level of participation, no prejudice to renominating this after a month or so. Randykitty (talk) 16:44, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Orange County Ramblers

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Page was deleted after merge to List of Continental Football League teams which avoided a PROD deletion. Subsequently restored later with no changes to content. Dubious sources include potential WP:COI issues. WP:POV issues also with the unsourced references to the film "Skidoo" as a "notorious flop". As some of the players may still be alive, we have potential WP:BLP issues with the movie reference. Otherwise, simply fails WP:GNG. Paul McDonald (talk) 18:53, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. Paul McDonald (talk) 18:54, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 19:36, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 19:36, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Are other Continental Football League pages up for deletion, too? DetroitWheels74 (talk) 01:15, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Two others semi-pro teams at this time, one was CFL: Articles for deletion/Lehigh Valley Storm and Articles for deletion/Indianapolis Capitols.  Similar articles, but I believe they should be handled separately.  I'm not a big fan of "bulk deletions" and there's no harm in taking time to address the articles and subjects individually.  I'll be happy to withdrawal the nominations should proper sourcing or evidence be introduced that meets WP:GNG..--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:58, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, I have no issues with the article Continental Football League--well done and nicely sourced.--Paul McDonald (talk) 02:00, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment. This team existed from 1967–69, so any potential sources that might be available here will very likely be offline. Do we know that a thorough WP:BEFORE search has been conducted here (including searching offline sources)? Ejgreen77 (talk) 03:59, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * My online search produced only passing mentions in a few articles and the article was previously deleted.--Paul McDonald (talk) 12:28, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep several hits on newspapers.com, including this which suggests the Ramblers were covered significantly in local press at the time. The OCR isn't great though so there are probably more mentions. I'll source the Skidoo flop bit, it came right up in the New Yorker in an online search. SportingFlyer  T · C  01:53, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I can't get past the firewall for that reference... can you find a way to add it to the article? If you've read it I'm willing to WP:AGF and call it good.--Paul McDonald (talk) 22:41, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
 * If you click on the (OCR) link and search for "Ramblers," you'll see there's a mention get covered in a pull-out we don't have access to on newspapers.com. A newspapers.com web search brings up several other mentions from a variety of different local papers. Nothing super, but I'm almost certain there's something out there to satisfy WP:NEXIST. SportingFlyer  T · C  00:22, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:08, 16 April 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep subject is WP:GNG. in addition I add WP:NOTCLEANUP   Lubbad85   (☎) 19:51, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Please provide details to your position for better understanding. How is it cleanup?  What sources meet GNG?--Paul McDonald (talk) 22:41, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   08:20, 23 April 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.