Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Orange Mountain Bikes (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. Unfortunately, at least one of the new references is product placement and not independent review. There are no stories about the company and its purported notability. It fails WP:NCORP on this basis, and since ample time has been provided, there's really no choice but to delete. Katietalk 15:07, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Orange Mountain Bikes
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A previously soft-deleted article but which, after undeletion, is wholly unimproved. No independent references that assert notability. Sources show that the company exists but nothing more. Fails WP:GNG  Velella  Velella Talk 16:42, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.  Velella  Velella Talk  16:42, 10 November 2022 (UTC)


 * The undeletion has only just happened, it would be nice if you let the improvements be added. My apologies if you feel this should be immediate. Thanks. Johnels (talk) 16:58, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Apologies, I hadn't realised that. I would have moved it to draft had it not had such a long history including a previous deletion. All is not lost however. Find and add several reliable and independent sources that discuss the company and the article should survive. At present it is within a whisker of being an outright advertisement, so it does need much work.  Velella  Velella Talk 17:08, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply.
 * I am sourcing these references, and have added a few already.
 * I will also research some of the Orange marque's objective history and add that. Johnels (talk) 12:23, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete This is a company therefore WP:NCORP guidelines apply. A primary point is that we require references that discuss the *company* in detail. As per WP:SIRS *each* reference must meet the criteria for establishing notability - we require at least two of deep or significant coverage with in-depth information *on the company* and containing "Independent Content".
 * "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject.
 * None of the references meet the criteria for establishing notability of the company. We have reviews of their products (bikes) with almost nothing said about the company and then some primary sources. I'm happy to review my !vote if other references are produced that focus on the company but in the meantime, I'm unable to find any appropriate references, topic therefore fails WP:NCORP.  HighKing++ 15:31, 16 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete References do not establish that WP:NCORP is met. MrsSnoozyTurtle 07:29, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Move From the discussion the company does not appear to meet WP:NCORP however the bikes as products themselves are included in secondary sources/reviews indicating these are notable and should meet WP:GNG. I can't find an article on the range of bikes - can the content here be used as article on the bikes not the company? [Technically the article title could stay the same, but change from the company to the bikes.] ResonantDistortion (talk) 10:41, 18 November 2022 (UTC)


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