Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Order of León-Sable


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Speedy-deleted (G7) by Anthony Appleyard. Non-admin closure. Olaf Davis (talk) 14:01, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Order of León-Sable

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More of the same undocumented and unfindable hoaxing as Battle of Lemos, House of Lemavia and Don Manuel Joseph Martín López de Prado Rodríguez Díaz de Armesto y Varela, X Baron of Lemavia. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 07:41, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Who then was a gentleman?, first you accused me of being from Chicago, and I have proven you wrong (follow my IP address). Second, you said there were no references to these battles, and I proved you wrong again sending you the article of Dr. Brian De Toy. Third, you asked for a website (as if websites were the only acceptable source in Wikipedia), and I even sent you a link extracted from a history book fully dedicated to the "Batalla de Monforte de Lemos" ( http://www.1808-1814.org/articulos/monforte.html). Fourth, you said this was a hoax, and I pointed out websites citing the list of people killed that day ( http://club.telepolis.com/apenela/HISTORIA.htm). Fifth, you started to nominate a whole bunch of articles for deletion without reading any source. Sixth, every time I prove you wrong, you keep shooting in the dark for the next "nice try". Please, I understand where you are coming from, but as a new contributor I find hard to believe ONLY VETERAN CONTRIBUTORS CAN WRITE? This would be the end of Wikipedia.

A hoax? This link comes straight from the Ministry of Culture of Spain. These are protocols of nobility about the House of Lopez de Prado, another article you nominated for deletion without ever reading it:

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=2&txt_id_fondo=184080

I hope this answers all your questions and we can keep working together. (Qqtacpn (talk) 07:53, 17 May 2009 (UTC))
 * How does any of that cut-and-pasted response, which you seem to prefer rather than addressing questions appropriately, have anything to do with the suject of this discussion in particular? Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 08:04, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


 * comment. I posted notices to this and other related AFDs at WP:SPAIN and WP:HERALDRY. Checked googlebooks, the whole bunch seems highly suspicious, but not enough for a definite nay. NVO (talk) 08:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete all as complete hoaxes. There are no reliable references at all for any of this elaborate hoax. European heraldry and armigerous lines; battles, skirmishes, and engagements of the Peninsular War, including the activities and whereabouts of the honorable Marshall Ney; and Orders are all well documented in reliable sources.  These are clear hoaxes and while palausible at first glance fall apart in the details as well in the absolute lack of any documentation.  All of it is historical fiction and some of it not even well done. Don't waste everyone's time with this.  Delete and salt and block. Drawn Some (talk) 10:27, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

'''I have answered all your questions for hours. You have made very offensive accusations based on:
 * 1) Your inability to read Spanish.
 * 2) Your lack of interest for sources published in paper. You only accept websites as sources.
 * 3) You are not interested to search the websites of the Spanish Goverment I have provided (search "lopez de prado", between quotes, at http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=0).
 * 4) The fact that my area of expertise (War crimes commited in Galicia during the Peninsular Wars) has offended a group of French Wikipedians (Equendil, Frania W., etc.).
 * 5) Ridiculous suppositions (do I live in Chicago? Are these 5 users in the same Continent? Why are they interested in similar topics?)
 * 6) Discrimination based on being a new contributor.

Anyone with access to this Encyclopedia (http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/geneal/index_gc.html), available at the Library of Congress and everywhere in the Spanish Speaking World, please go to Volume 72, pages 101-120. Or go to the http://www.granenciclopediagalega.com/, also available in the Library of Congress, and search the article dedicated to Lopez de Prado. These are but a few more proves that these individuals are making false accusations. I do not doubt your intention is right, but the conclusion here is that a very small number of Wikipedians ignorant of well published research actually have the power to remove legitimate content. Fine, if this is how flawed Wikipedia is, please go ahead and remove these articles. They belong to the paper encyclopedias available in the Library of Congress. End of discussion.''' (Qqtacpn (talk) 11:08, 17 May 2009 (UTC))


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.