Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Order of Saint Nicholas Thaumaturgus (Ukrainian)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Sandstein  18:22, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Order of Saint Nicholas Thaumaturgus (Ukrainian)

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Most sources located about this award are trivial mentions - so-and-so receives medal of the Order, etc. Very little discussion of the Order in and of itself. The few articles that do discuss the order are direct copies of the WP article, so do nothing to demonstrate notability. Also, there are other Orders with the same name mucking up the results. Neither the Dutch nor the Ukrainian wiki articles are much larger, and neither have sources to use.

I'm limited in that I can't read Ukranian, so I can only do a cursory Google translated check, so I'm willing to withdraw if Ukrainian-speaking editors can verify that this meets GNG. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 12:56, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ukraine-related deletion discussions. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:06, 12 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm confused. How does this article relate to Order of Saint Nicholas Thaumaturgus (International)? SpinningSpark 22:18, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * They were both created by the same author, so my assumption is that he knows what he's doing and they are indeed separate awards with the same name. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 23:32, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * That is not always a wise assumption. The names of the awarding bodies (All-Ukrainian Foundation for International Cooperation and Foundation of International Awards) could easily be variations in translation.  My impression is that they differ essentially only in whether they are awarded to Ukrainian citizens or non-Ukrainians and am thinking a merge is a possibility.  User:Altenmann is still active, so a more definitive answer is possible. SpinningSpark 14:36, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * comment. The second order is a state award although minor. This one is by some civic organization nonprofit established by former first president of ukraine, so no merge the two. Uk wikipedia has the article about the nonprofit. So probably the best solution is to write up the same here and merge the order into the new page. Unfortunetely i have difficulties with editing now.I created the two articles specifically to avoid confusion of the two orders Because both are linked from wikipedia bios. Curiously, I googled right now and found the third one, issued by Ukrainian church authorities. What a mess. These post-communists (in fact renegades)  being atheists in recent past, have a really limited catalog of useful saints.- üser:Altenmann >t 06:02, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sir Joseph (talk) 15:09, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete-Complete dearth of sources.Zero notability and all of them. &#x222F; WBG converse 13:38, 28 June 2018 (UTC)


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