Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Order of the Cross and Circle (Crux Orbis)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was delete. - ulayiti (talk)  02:36, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Order of the Cross and Circle (Crux Orbis)
uncited; original research Tom Harrison (talk) 02:19, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

As all entries on secret societies cannot be fully substantiated, if this article is to be deleted it then follows that all entries on secret societies must be deleted. Judging by the fact that IP addresses involved in suggesting this page for deletion are from the Washington DC / Georgetown area, requests for deletion are clearly motivated by reasons other than Wikipedia policy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.54.255.62 (talk • contribs) 2005-11-02 19:14:03 (UTC)
 * Comment: Some of the other secret societies have citations. I looked for some for this one, and didn't find any. If you have a couple of good solid citations, maybe from college newspapers, I would reconsider my vote for deletion. Let me also point out that Wikipedia does not publish original research. Tom Harrison (talk)  20:00, 2 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete per nomination. - Tom Harrison (talk) 02:19, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: original research. TECannon 11:38, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOR.--Isotope23 15:43, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: original research. There is no reference to 'Crux Orbis' or 'Order of the Cross and Circle' (which is not the actual Latin translation of 'crux orbis') anywhere on the internet.  Joe Hoya  20:31, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: unverifiable. &mdash; Haeleth Talk 22:18, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom. And I'm in California. MCB 00:55, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Do Not Delete: This entry is linked from a larger entry about secret societies in general. This article lists societies at major U.S. universities.  The very nature of secret societies is just that - they try to remain secret.  While much is known about some, such as Skull and Bones, little is known about others.  While in no way a member or supporter of this particular society, it is intriguing that it has kicked up as much discussion as it has.  Like many socities of this sort, hard verification of a society's existance is hard to come by.  However, if asked, a good amount of Georgetown students and alumni will attest to its existance. I will suggest that rather than deletion, a heading is added that reads something such as "due to the nature of such organizations, the following information may be unverifible." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.59.114.150 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 2 November 2005
 * Do Not Delete: Crux Orbis is well known for keeping its history and traditions secret. Specific details of the society should be presented, but they should be presented as part of the legend surrounding the society and not as hard fact.  Crux Orbis and the other Georgetown secret societies, including the several Societies of Stewards and the Torch & Talon Club, are known by students and alumni.  While it is certainly the case that not every detail is agreed upon, that is not proper grounds for deleting the whole entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.161.109.67 (talk • contribs) 00:08, 3 November 2005
 * But unfortunately the cabal have taken against it (as they did against Alpha Phi Omega), and so, vote or no vote, it will be deleted. You have to ask: is this because they don't want secrets revealed, or because they don't want people to know CO exists?
 * Delete. But you gotta love the suggestion that we add a tag saying it "may be unverifiable".


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.