Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ordinariate for the Faithful of the Eastern Rite in Romania


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Bryce  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 02:53, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Ordinariate for the Faithful of the Eastern Rite in Romania

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No assertion of notability, as the article clearly indicates that this is a local entity that consists of around 500 parishioners. Article is overly reliant on one source. MSJapan (talk) 06:26, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:18, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:18, 25 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep - no valid reasons for deletion have been presented. The entity is not "local" - at least, it covers all of Transylvania, with parishes in three counties. It's small, but that's not in itself a reason to delete. There's one main source because that's all I could find, but as long as the source is reliable (and it is), having an article drawn from a single source is not a fatal flaw.
 * An ordinariate is equivalent to a diocese, and we consider all dioceses notable, so it's inherently notable on that score. It has a 400-year history, with three of its churches and its cathedral recognized as historic monuments by the Romanian state. And it's one of a select few religious organizations granted official recognition by the Romanian state, all of which are notable starting from that fact. - Biruitorul Talk 16:20, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: If that is indeed the case, then you are likely correct, though I don't necessarily agree with government recognition = notability, unless some sort of historical precedent for that not happening (and that making a difference) is shown.  None of the information you mention, however, is actually present in the article, whether it be parallelism of church structure, historicals, or anything else.  A non-expert reader of the subject (such as myself) cannot figure out from the article why it meets policy, and conversely, it seems like the response is "this is a bad AfD because material not in the article proves it's notable, as long as one can read Romanian." That's a very narrow range of users.  However, AfD often becomes an impetus for improvement, so if someone wants to take care of that, that would be good.  GNG isn't assumed; it has to be shown. MSJapan (talk) 20:34, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per reasons already presented by Biruitorul--Codrin.B (talk) 20:57, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. There aren't that many ordinariates around, but I think we can safely say they are inherently notable. I guess it's the equivalent of the Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham. StAnselm (talk) 21:38, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. The small size now is outweighed by the historical importance, as the religious grouping of Armenian Catholics in Transylvania. A Google search finds several reliable sources, some under the name of "Gherla Ordinariate." Nominator should note WP:BEFORE. -- 202.124.75.250 (talk) 01:36, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Certainly keep'. The title should be changed, for accuracy, to "Ordinariate for Catholics of Armenian Rite in Romania"; but I don't dare move it while this discussion is ongoing. This is one of eight ordinariates for Eastern Catholics. Esoglou (talk) 16:08, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Ordinariates, eparchies and dioceses are notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 01:23, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
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