Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oregon State University Humans vs. Zombies


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The result was   keep. Black Kite (t)  00:42, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Oregon State University Humans vs. Zombies

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This is just one college playing HvZ - nothing at all notable about it and it's not even mentioned in the main article on HvZ. The only references are from the campus newspaper and a local paper. andy (talk) 09:29, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep a major, long standing part of campus culture that is covered in depth by three separate newspapers, with incidental coverage in several others. Many of the reasons cited for deletion are are for the most part specious,
 * "This is just one college playing HvZ". Well, you might say Oregon State Beavers football is just one university paying football.
 * "it's not even mentioned in the main article on HvZ". I don't understand why that matters. If all articles about an event of type X that were not mentioned in the article about X were to deleted, well that would be a massive under taking.
 * Meets WP:GNG. JORGENEV  10:08, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid not. Only three sources are cited. One of them, the university newspaper, can scarcely count as independent. Reference #5 is merely an events listing. Reference #6 is actually about the University of Washington and mentions OSU only in passing. This does not count as "Significant coverage" where "sources address the subject directly in detail" rather than "a trivial mention". Sorry, not even close to WP:GNG. andy (talk) 10:52, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:GNG says that the phrase "independent of the subject" excludes "self-publicity, advertising, self-published material by the subject, the subject's website, autobiographies, and press releases", which would in no way exclude the campus newspaper for being a reliable source on events that happen to take place on campus. You claim is akin to claiming that US newspapers don't qualify for notability of US things because they are not independent of the subject. JORGENEV  11:08, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I'm saying that the university newspaper is an in-house newspaper. andy (talk) 12:47, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Redirect To the "Student Life" section of Oregon State University. And Adoil Descended (talk) 11:45, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * There is no place for all this information there. JORGENEV  12:20, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed - but we don't need any of this information because it is not notable. Come on: this is just a bunch of college folk playing a game. The college is notable and the game is notable but the fact that this college plays this game is not per se notable unless it is proved to be. Presumably the college cheese society is also notable because they eat notable cheeses? andy (talk) 12:47, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Um. Presumably not, you are right, because I am not aware of people being paid to write articles about the college cheese society in several different newspapers. And also probably because the cheese society does not have two thousand members. JORGENEV  13:10, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:19, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 14:19, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - Much to my surprise, this appears to meet GNG as the object of significant coverage in multiple, independent, published sources. Carrite (talk) 17:34, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Errr... would you mind listing these "multiple, independent, published sources"? I can only see three independent sources and only one of them provides "significant coverage". andy (talk) 17:37, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * They have already been provided and you have dismissed them spuriously, see my reasoning below. JORGENEV  11:20, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Personally I don't think the university newspaper is independent enough, but there are plenty of other sources. Papers in others states have covered this substantially. If there's ever an appropriate article to merge with, that's another discussion. In general, this is clearly notable and verifiable. Steven Walling &bull; talk   06:00, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Again, what are these "plenty of other sources"? Which are the "papers in other states" that have given substantial coverage? HvZ is notable but what's so special about this particular campus? andy (talk) 11:00, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It is not particularly "special" as in I imagine their are many games like it, but the fact that they do not yet have articles is irrelevant per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. It is however however notable, as evinced so by reliable sources. Your contention that the university newspaper is not an independent source holds no water. They are clearly separate, the newspaper may not be independent of, say, the campus media, however saying that what is essentially a sports league and a media organization are 'affiliates' (wording of GNG) is not justifiable. I will give you that coverage in the campus newspaper is not a weighty as coverage in another newspaper as the campus newspaper tends to focus on that campus at a much higher resolution that other sources, however, the newspaper has published nine articles on the HvZ games over the past five years, I'd say that is probably worth two articles in a different newspaper? Then we have another full article in the city paper, a half article in a different city paper, a local television spot and passing mentions in out of state papers. That sounds like enough notability for me. The OSU games are qualitatively different that the parent, so a merge would mean loosing good information. This article deserves a spot.  JORGENEV  11:15, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
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