Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oren Laurent


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Per consensus below, it does not appear that the subject of the article is notable. m.o.p 09:25, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Oren Laurent

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Founder of a four-year-old binary options enterprise called Banc de Binary. Not independently notable of that organization. The slight notice of this person thus far received from independent, reliable sources falls well short of the substantial coverage mandated by WP:GNG. Request deletion or redirect to Banc de Binary. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 23:03, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete -non-notable businessperson even more obscure than his company. Note that Banc de Binary is also the subject of an AfD discussion now.-- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  23:36, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * if the organization survives its AfD, redirect there . If it doesnt, delete no significant coverage outside of company. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  23:54, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable. — Ed! (talk) 16:41, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:36, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable person involved with a company of doubtful notability. Roger (talk) 10:35, 15 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I disagree Oren Laurent is one of the most important people in the finance world in UK. he won the world finance 100 awards. i added more references. Reuvengrish (talk) 17:29, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * 'Comment All you've added is a deprecated External link, which I reverted. According to Banc de Binary it is the company, not Mr Laurent, that received the award you mentioned. BTW the award is from a non-notable publication. Roger (talk) 17:40, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - I actually improved this article about a week ago so I was surprised to see it back to its original form. There were others who added some information and I also came back to add additional links. The reason I believe he is notable is due to the additional references that I added before it was recommended for deletion. There is information about this subject on Forex News Now, World Finance , MSN.com Arabia , The Financial Times , The Times UK , and the Houston Chronicle. The other references may be less notable but I believe the ones above are good. He is known in his field as one of the leading authorities, separate from Banc de Binary. Also, if World Finance is a non-notable publication, then it should probably be recommended for deletion as well, although there is quite a bit of press out there about it as well. Bottom line, the article in the shape it was in looked horrible and should have been deleted. However, the additional references above I believe show notability. I have added back the edits to the article, including the negative information from the Better Business Bureau. Would just like to see the article have a chance with the additions that were made. I could see the article even being shortened a little by removing the Banc de Binary information and putting it into that article if it survives its recommendation for deletion, and keeping it with Mr. Laurent if it does not. --WEP2013 (talk) 01:54, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Let's look at the citations you mention:
 * forexnewsnow.com: non-reliable source provides anonymous interview + link to company brochure
 * World Finance: 8-year-old enterprise, it's own article recently PROD'd by another editor, I see. Nor is your citation to one of its bylined articles. Instead, this uncredited bit is so shamelessly promotional, I can only assume it is some form of advertorial: "Laurent instinctively knew that people would be Banc De Binary’s greatest asset." Give me a break.
 * MSN.com Arabia: A short piece on the price of gold. Laurent gets some fairly trivial mention.
 * FT.com: Article about Intrade, a different company, although there are three sentences quoting Laurent about Banc de Binary.
 * Times: A brief piece about undervalued shares, based on a study put out by Banc de Binary.
 * Houston Chronicle: A press release published by PRWeb, posted on the paper's website.
 * These citations are variously unreliable, non-independent, or too insubstantial to indicate notability. Only the ones from FT and the Times are of any real use, and if Laurent were actually a notable expert, I would expect to be able to find dozens of such cites from RS's. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 06:27, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you again for your comments. I only placed in the citations that I felt were reliable and independent. Again, I see your reasons why you do not believe that they are, but I believe it will be decided one way or another at the end of this deletion discussion.--WEP2013 (talk) 15:49, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete as non-notable. I suspect that this article has been created to try to make Banc de Binary look legitimate. Why would an American, with an American wife, and running a business with mostly American customers, choose to live in Cyprus? (See Asil Nadir for my conjectured answer.) Maproom (talk) 10:30, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep In response to the user above: It's well known among binary traders (such as myself) that Oren Laurent is based in Cyprus as part of the company's efforts to become regulated in Europe, beginning with CySEC, the Cypriot Securities and Exchange Commission. If the SEC in the US regulated binary options (which will happen eventually), I'm sure he would be based there. The nasty conjecture from the user above is not warranted or welcome. Binary options is a fast-growing market, and Oren Laurent's media profile essentially makes him the face of the industry. Simply because you as an individual don't know the industry, doesn't make him non-notable. If that were the case, every ice hockey player could be deleted as non-notable, based on my knowledge of it. Inert234 (talk) 12:13, 16 January 2013 (UTC) — Inert234 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment - It's hardly non-notable that Oren Laurent and Banc De Binary are pioneers in the private binary options market. The industry is just three or four years old, and these two entities are instrumental in its development. The fact that Banc De Binary is now licensed by CySEC and is the first binary options trading firm in the world to to be licensed by a regulatory body makes these entries notable and they should not be deleted. If Wikipedia ends up without an entry for the first licensed binary options company in the world AND its founders, it will be missing important information! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Recordwriter (talk • contribs) 09:30, 17 January 2013 (UTC)  — Recordwriter (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Banc de Binary, licensed all of three weeks ago, is not even the first such firm licensed in Cyprus, let alone the world. The American Stock Exchange, regulated by the SEC, has been trading them since 2008. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 06:48, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * This should be a topic for the Banc de Binary article. I agree that there are others licensed. The wording that I chose for that article was not the best. The actual wording should be "the first stand alone binary option broker to be licensed. I will make that change shortly based on this and other references. --WEP2013 (talk) 15:45, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:13, 21 January 2013 (UTC)




 * Additional References - I found additional references about Mr. Laurent. They are from the Independent, the Telegraph, and Investment Week. It appears that the articles are all related to the same information and quote Mr. Laurent; however, they are three different stories published in 3 notable publications. --WEP2013 (talk) 15:58, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * they are not "about him"- they contain quotes "by him" and the way you have attempted to incorporate them into the lead is gross misuse and misrepresentation of primary source materials. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  17:50, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I have to tip my hat to you for your comment "the way you have attempted to incorporate them into the lead is gross misuse and misrepresentation of primary source materials." The statement "He is considered a leading authority on binary options and is often consulted by major publications and television networks to speak on the topic" is not contained in the source and I see how it is misleading. I did not intend to misuse the sources, but after looking closer at the sentence and the sources, I see that you are correct and will change it to read "He has appeared in publications and television networks speaking on the topic of finance and binary options." Although he is stated as a leading authority, I believe this new sentence is a little more neutral. Again, sorry to misuse and did not intend it. --WEP2013 (talk) 15:00, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Additional References - I have also found additional references that contain interviews that Mr. Laurent has given.,, . --WEP2013 (talk) 15:15, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

So, what have we established? Oren Laurent founded the first standalone binary options brokerage to be licensed by an EU regulatory authority under financial instrument trading rules, and has been widely quoted in various media as an expert in the field. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Recordwriter (talk • contribs) 14:04, 25 January 2013 (UTC) If you look at the big picture, the article is about an individual who is a key figure in the development of the private binary options market. Yes, they have been legal to trade on some exchanges and as a minor part of already-existing Forex company portfolios, but it is Oren Laurent who has founded the first formally-licensed standalone binary options firm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Recordwriter (talk • contribs) 09:21, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * No. Being "widely quoted" in press releases and advertorial placements has no bearing here--this is an encyclopedia, not a marketing outlet. It has already been admitted by one of your fellow SPAs that this not even the first licensed firm in Cyprus. And this licensing took place this month. Having just a faint few trivial mentions in reliable sources does not satisfy WP:GNG. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 00:10, 28 January 2013 (UTC)


 * European CEO Cover - He is featured in the Spring 2013 edition of European CEO. You can see the cover here (http://www.europeanceo.com/magazine/) or you can read the entire article here (http://www.europeanceo.com/business-and-management/2013/01/the-next-generation-of-financier/). I will add this to the discussion at Banc de Binary as well. I did not want to put the citation into the article as of yet so that anyone wishing can comment first. I see that there are a lot of references in the article marked as unreliable and believe that this one could replace those altogether.--WEP2013 (talk) 16:03, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - while there are reliable sources, they do not indicate that this individual is notable. Tiggerjay (talk) 16:55, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
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