Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oreste Carpi


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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 16:52, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Oreste Carpi

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This page has been without citations since 2007. I was going to add a couple of references and remove any unsourced content, but ... I can't find any. He's not in the Dizionario Biografico degli Italiani, but he's only been dead for eleven years so perhaps it's early days for that. There's no mention of him on JSTOR, nothing in the archives of La Repubblica or the Corriere della Sera. The only verifiable hit I get on Gbooks is this, which confirms that he was owner of Palazzo Carpi in Parma in 1963. The work "Oreste Carpi, Magalini editore, Brescia 1974" is not in WorldCat, and nor apparently is any other book on him. I can't see how he could meet WP:ARTIST or any other criterion of notability. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 16:38, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 16:38, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 16:38, 30 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete I am not seeing enough convincing sourcing to meet GNG in a search.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:55, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - After searching, it seems doubtful. The only thing of note I found was on the website of the Museo de Arte Contemporanea, Italy - he is in the collection of Neviano degli Arduini, Municipipo. Not sure if that venue is notable - it seems to be part of the Colleczione Civica d'Art Contemporanea - a civic art collection. He has an article on Italian Wikipedia which is more developed, but it too has poor sourcing. I'll keep looking if I find the time. Netherzone (talk) 22:53, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep I added his obituary to the article, and also a rather weak source from a travel magazine/blog. It is not a surprise, given the years he was active, that there are few online sources. Looking at the reference section, the first source appears to be a medium-length monograph on the artist (judging by others by the same publisher), and the next two, encyclopedia entries. There are almost certainly additional sources to be found with some digging, preferably by someone who reads Italian. Additionally, while this falls outside the scope of this Afd, a Catalogue raisonné is being prepared and will help solidify his notability in the future. Curiocurio (talk) 23:43, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * If we go up one section to the inline "notes", the first source is a paragraph long obit, and the second one is an article on a geographic area that contains only "Italian painter Oreste Carpi spent many years in San Terenzo making hundreds of paintings and drawings reproducing the local landscapes." Also, given the nature of a catalogue raisonné (a complete catalogue of an artist's output to the date the CR was created), I would not say that it definitively helps notability. This is because it involves the close collaboration of the catalogue raisonné's author and the artist or estate. Some are going to contribute to notability and others aren't. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 23:50, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , I do speak Italian and I have done some digging – please see above. I believe the lack of sources has more to do with lack of notability than with the era he worked in. For example, Pericle Fazzini – a fairly uninteresting artist who relatively few people have ever heard of – was born eight years earlier; he has articles in the Dizionario Biografico and in GroveArt, and an obituary in the New York Times. For this person we have an obit notice in the local newspaper, with details of where the funeral will be. How do you know about the catalogue raisonné, by the way? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:02, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * You could very well be right about the lack of notability. My general point is that the artist shouldn't be denigrated for only having offline sources - the three listed in the article. I read about the catalogue here . Curiocurio (talk) 13:25, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
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 * Delete - insignificant or tangential coverage for a run of the mill artist who's never exhibited in a major gallery or art museum. A search of Google books shows hits for a different person, a violinist, with a similar name. Bearian (talk) 17:15, 6 January 2020 (UTC)


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