Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Organization for the Reconstruction of the Communist Party of Greece




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The result was keep, with improvements. BD2412 T 03:34, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Organization for the Reconstruction of the Communist Party of Greece

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Only one source that isn't an internal newspaper, probably doesn't meet notability requirements besides getting around 1,000 votes each election. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 04:52, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Politics,  and Greece. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 08:14, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. I added some references that appeared in the corresponding Greek article. The article now includes references from several reliable sources, including the Greek version of VICE and some newspapers. Admittedly, some of the coverage relates more to the sectarian left as a whole, but it still counts as coverage of this group. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 09:30, 30 March 2024 (UTC)


 * The notability requirements are more than met for a political party that exists in political life from 1985 and has taken part to almost all elections including the latest double parliamentary elections. The influence of its positions and analysis is much wider than its votes. I will add a number of references further to these included in the Greek article. It should be noted though that the Organisation is getting very much noticed not only from people who are close to its positions, but also from the friends of Russian and Chinese regimes who don't want the positions against these regimes to be heard. Nevertheless, even they refer to OAKKE as a source. See here https://books.google.gr/books?id=qGsyEAAAQBAJ&pg=PT75&lpg=PT75&dq=oakke+english+cosco&source=bl&ots=hGUbWXES0E&sig=ACfU3U1V9XJZPGLNndwS8vlNOIxgVzSN_A&hl=el&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjGnez6wpyFAxUeQvEDHa_8Czs4ChDoAXoECAQQAw#v=onepage&q&f=false where OAKKE is sited as Bibliography for its position against COSCO, as source, fifth from top, at a book that praises the Belt and Road Initiative published by Routledge in 2022 regarding COSCO and the port of Piraeus. EIRINI KOUTELOU (talk) 17:57, 30 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep I could understand the deletion rationale if this party had contested one election and performed as stated; however, it has run in ten parliamentary elections and five European elections. Also the claim that the party has been "getting around 1,000 votes each election" is not really accurate – it has received over 2,000 votes in nine of the fifteen elections it has contested, and over 5,000 in a couple. Number   5  7  11:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep minor, but notable party of the Greek far left. Per WP:NEXIST and WP:HEY following added sources. There are so many reasons (electoral suppression, notions that elections=political significance etc) why electoral counts can be completely misleading to posit a lack of notability. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 21:37, 1 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep
 * Plenty of political parties and organizations with a Wikipedia page have a similar electoral outreach, some have participated in fewer elections than OAKKE. Namely:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers_Revolutionary_Party_(Greece)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_of_Internationalist_Communists_of_Greecehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist_Communist_Party_of_Greecehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Greece_(Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist)
 * There are even pages for parties that have never participated in national elections on their own, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Communist_Internationalists_of_Greece%E2%80%93Spartacus
 * Also, there are pages of defunct political parties, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Greece/Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist
 * The same practice consistently is applied to parties from all over the world, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Defunct_Maoist_parties_in_the_United_States
 * Singling out OAKKE from this well-established practice makes no sense.
 * OAKKE has had, and still has, a notable influence on Greek political affairs, far beyond its narrow electoral reach, and has triggered discussions and controversy on a national level.
 * One notable example is when in 2020 the Minister of Development and Investments of the Greek government tweeted an article by OAKKE concerning an industrial unit that announced that they are leaving the country: https://twitter.com/AdonisGeorgiadi/status/1316703449615151105
 * This caused OAKKE to be the number 1 trend on Greek Twitter (https://twitter.com/tsagko/status/1316717562722488339) and, in turn, several oppositional outlets, including the official newspaper of the second largest party, SYRIZA, posting comments and articles intended to denounce the original article, and the Minister for posting it:
 * https://www.avgi.gr/social/369264_termatise-diadidei-tis-theseis-tis-oakke
 * https://tvxs.gr/news/ellada/o-georgiadis-tweetare-oakke/
 * https://www.efsyn.gr/oikonomia/elliniki-oikonomia/264427_o-adonis-epikaleitai-tin-oakke-gia-tin-pitsos
 * OAKKE is frequently cited by Greek journalists, especially on the topics of industry and international affairs. A very recent example (published on March 27, 2024) is this article that discusses the exit of industries from Greece:
 * https://www.capital.gr/o-giorgos-kraloglou-grafei/3783787/kratismos-mexri-ekei-pou-den-pairnei/
 * Another one, posted on the wake of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, cites OAKKE as a positive example of a leftist party denouncing the invasion: https://www.athensvoice.gr/epikairotita/politiki-oikonomia/748874/megalo-xevrakoma-toy-proodeytikoy-kosmoy-tis-horas/ 45.66.41.247 (talk) 13:02, 4 April 2024 (UTC)


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