Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oriental metal (2nd nomination)


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The result was KEEP.   CWii ( Talk  20:31, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Oriental metal
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Seems to be mostly composed of original research. Only one of the references provided uses the term "oriental metal", and that is only to list a very small amount of bands; I'd hardly class it as a reliable source. Most of the article seems to be about two or so bands (such as Orphaned Land) and using their style to create a whole new genre - there seem to be no definate sources claiming this genre exists, and I have certainly never heard of it outside of Wikipedia. If not a delete vote, I think it should be merged with another genre; most probably folk metal. ≈  The Haunted Angel  22:47, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I just revised the article, removing all the original research and adding only information that can be verified with references and citations. I trust that my work is satisfactory and that this nomination for deletion will not be necessary.--Bardin (talk) 07:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, this subgenre exists indeed.  M ath K night  Gothic   Israeli   Jew  21:06, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Care to source this claim? The point is that there are hardly any sources for this genre existing. ≈  The Haunted Angel  21:21, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought I had already done that with my revision to the article. Here are some examples. Rockdetector's bio on Orphaned Land, Hard & Heavy interview with Khalas, Sonic Cathedral's interview with Distorted and Malestrom's interview with Forgotten Silence. These are professional websites (not made by fans) where you can find the precise term "oriental metal" in use in the context of an interview or article. The term is used more often in album reviews on various websites, for example Gothronic's review of Salem's Necessary Evil. There are other websites which use the term as well (Metal Observer, Metal Archives, Metalstorm, etc.) but for one reason or another, I did not use them in the article. The mainstream media hasn't picked up on the term yet but that's not surprising. You can't expect the same level of attention from the mainstream media or academia that you can find for grunge music or jazz rock fusion. We are talking of a relatively new and small subgenre of heavy metal localised in the middle east, largely in Israel. Not every localised or regional music genre can be a global phenonemon like reggae. That does not mean they do not have a place in wikipedia though. You can find articles or reviews in the mainstream media like All Music that pretty much describe a band like Orphaned Land or Melechesh as oriental metal without using the precise term, that is they describe the music as a mix of metal and middle eastern folk. --Bardin (talk) 02:07, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Keep not less used than say Post-metal. Kakun (talk) 09:23, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


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