Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ornamental (band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete; it is generally agreed that notability has not been demonstrated here. bd2412 T 04:45, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Ornamental (band)

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Seems to fail WP:BAND. Searching "Rose McDowall" "Ornamental" gives only ~100 results when unique ones are filtered out, all of which are either Wikipedia mirrors, discography directories such as Discogs,

Claims notability with "Crystal Nights" being a "hit", but "Crystal Nights" + "Ornamental" returns only false positives. No song of that name appears on Billboard.com, nor in the Joel Whitburn chart books. The only hits for the song "Crystal Nights" + "One Little Indian" are also Discogs and similar discography databases. "Ornamental" does not even have a placeholder on Allmusic, and the song title doesn't show up on Allmusic either. Billboard.com, americanradiohistory.com (which archives various music publications, even British ones), newspapers.com, and the like all yield absolutely nothing when searching the band, song, or record label name with various keywords. The members may be notable, but this one-off collaboration does not seem to be in the slightest. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:10, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:10, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iceland-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 07:09, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 07:10, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 07:11, 12 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment Timarit.is is an excellent source of articles from Icelandic newspapers (although the search feature gets worse as the papers get older) and it has a few articles that mention the band and the Crystal Nights song. They do state that the song placed high in charts in Iceland and Japan and that the song was selected as the song of the week by the british pop-magazine Record Mirror. There are also mentions of some full-page interviews with Hilmar Örn Hilmarsson and Rose McDowall in pop-magazines but it is not stated what magazines. All in all, the Icelandic sources are not close to be indepth enough to push this band into the notables. Dammit_steve (talk) 09:53, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I find that usually whenever a source says "charted in [country]" instead of "Charted on [specific name of chart]" it's usually a weasel-wordy way of saying they made some independent third-party chart and not the official one(s). Indeed, the song title gets no results on Oricon, and Iceland doesn't seem to have an official singles chart per WP:GOODCHARTS. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 16:11, 12 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep or merge somewhere. Satisfies WP:NMUSIC #6, with twice the number of notable members needed for that criterion. Keeping this as effectively a link page to the members seems like probably the best option. --Michig (talk) 17:09, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:NMUSIC is not ironclad. See Articles for deletion/Waycross (band) for an example where a musical act passed criterion #2, but was still redirected due to an absolute lack of sources. I didn't opt for redirection because multiple notable musicians were involved in this act. Notability is not inherited from the notability of their individual members, and I think it's pretty clear that this act fails the overall notability/reliable sources test even if it meets one criterion of WP:NMUSIC. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:06, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Scott Burley (talk) 07:07, 19 October 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - indeed a couple notable members, which is a good indicator of notability, but I'm not just finding anything of substance. Not really anything to merge, either, since it's entirely unsourced. Not opposed to redirect if there's a suitable target. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 02:18, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete/Merge/Dab. Lacks WP:SIGCOV. The information can be covered in a couple sentences in each of the articles about the individual artists because there isn't much to say about this short lived collaboration. The content can be cited from the articles found by Dammit_steve. A note about the band could be placed at Ornamental with a wl to each individual artist's page.4meter4 (talk) 17:45, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:43, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. There is no GNG here. I am open to redirecting, but to where? A few of the band members note the band on their BLPs but not the discography.  Ultimately, TPH is right, and if the band was not notable, and even the BLPs hardly mention it, then maybe we should just delete it. Britishfinance (talk) 22:01, 5 November 2019 (UTC)


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