Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Orthodox Jewish Humanism


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The result was delete. Sr13 01:38, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Orthodox Jewish Humanism

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There is no such animal! This is a neologism and this article violates WP:NEO, WP:NOR, and WP:NOT. Sure, Humanistic Judaism exists, but it does NOT have belief in God as one of its tenets! Hence it takes a "leap of imaginary faith" to posit that it can be somehow meshed with Orthodox Judaism to create such a hybrid. IZAK 07:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete for above reasons. IZAK 07:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)]]
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletions.   IZAK 07:54, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Zero ghits for Frum Humanism except this article and very, very few for Orthodox Jewish Humanism.It's doubtful therefore whether this is a "movement" as the article says. I think it would need to demonstrate the existence of some organised or at least recognisably discrete bodies that recognised the tenets outlined as their raison d'etre. BTLizard 08:21, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete unverifiable - essay -Docg 08:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as per WP:VERIFY, google returns only 8 results and it looks like most of them are sourced from wiki Guycalledryan 11:49, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete humanism and Orthodox Judaism are clearly incompatible. It is possible that there is a tiny fringe group who call themselves "Orthodox Jewish Humanism" and do not understand at least on the those words.  Nevertheless without any sources I have no reason to believe that any such group exists.  The essay implies that any Orthodox Jew who does Charity work is a part of a Humanist movement - which is a misunderstanding both the ideas of humanism and the definition of the word "movement". Jon513 15:15, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete The article itself provides no sources, and I only found 7 ghits, none of them meaningful, and not a single item found in Google News/Archive. There seems to be no reason not to treat this as WP:NEO or WP:OR. Alansohn 18:36, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Origional research--Sefringle 00:25, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete -- looks like OR. --Wassermann 05:32, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - I heard one of these OJH guys on Art Bell the other night, but I also heard a guy who was a time-traveling tourist on Art Bell too. - Crockspot 05:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete appears to be a neologism that doesn't comply with WP:NEO. There's plenty of evidence that some Orthodox Jews are involved in various social causes -- Avi Weiss and Joseph Lieberman are prime examples -- and this may be what the article is intending to say (I can't really tell for sure), and an article on such a topic might well be reasonable. However, because of the existance of Humanistic Judaism with its own ideology (and ideological baggage), saying that some Orthodox Jews are humanistic has a completely different meaning. In general, if an article claims to describe a contemporary phenomenon but its sources turn out to be nothing more than quotes from the Bible or similar, it's almost always an OR essay that's advocating what someone thinks should be rather than describing what is.--Shirahadasha 07:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete according to IZAK and Shirahadasha. --Shuli &#91;&#91;User_Talk:Shaul avrom&#124;talk to me]] 15:13, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No such thing -- Y not? 06:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as per above. If just one example of someone notable or some organisation describing itself in this way were given, that'd be different. BobFromBrockley 15:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
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