Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Orthodox parishes in Washington D.C.


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The result was   delete. getting a consensus especially on the fact WP:NOTDIRECTORY  JForget  00:44, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Orthodox parishes in Washington D.C.

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There's nothing particularly notable about a list of parishes, few of which are themselves notable. Even if the handful of cathedrals are notable (St. Nicholas and St. Sophia certainly are), we have List of cathedrals in the United States, Category:Eastern Orthodox churches in the United States, and could have List of Eastern Orthodox churches in the United States, limiting that to churches with articles on Wikipedia. I'll also note that an equivalent list for Arkansas has been deleted, and that if kept, the title should be changed: it's Eastern Orthodox; it's "Washington, D.C.", with the comma; and neither the Maryland nor the Virginia portion of the Baltimore–Washington Metropolitan Area, which this list encompasses, are part of Washington, D.C. - Biruitorul Talk 21:10, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
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 * Keep   Normally we would handle these as a section of the article on the diocese, but since they belongt a variety of organizational bodies, this seems a reasonable alternative. We should have some way f handling them, since the individual parishes and churches   most of them are not   notable enough for articles. Of course, as an alternative, we could decide to broaden our standards there, and simple define every church with a congregation ,present or past, as notable.  DGG ( talk ) 21:17, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I quite disagree, for several reasons:
 * 1) There aren't that many high-quality articles on dioceses, but looking at Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Miami, a featured article, we find it has "118 parishes and missions"; we do not find a directory-type listing of every parish. The number of parishes in a particular diocese is relevant; the name of each parish is not.
 * 2) If most of the parishes are not notable enough for stand-alone articles (and they're not), and if listing them is going into a level of detail not normally found outside a telephone book, why do it at all? Of what encyclopedic value can a list of parishes be, any more than a list of Laundromats in Washington D.C. (which after all serve thousands of customers) or of Ethiopian restaurants in Washington D.C. (likewise)?
 * 3) I know of your preference for broadening notability standards to consider every parish notable. Thankfully, we're not there yet, and just as one non-notable parish is undeserving of an article, so is a list of a couple dozen non-notable parishes. - Biruitorul Talk 23:59, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. This is similar to the following article, which maintains an existence on Wikipedia: List of Shia mosques in NCR. Thanks, AnupamTalk 06:46, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:WAX is not a valid argument, particularly since the list you pointed out has not been through AfD. You should state why you think this particular list is notable, and I have given a number of reasons why it is not. - Biruitorul Talk 15:21, 21 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete A plain violation of WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Notable parishes could be collected into an appropriate category. Mangoe (talk) 13:19, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment (leaning toward delete) Note there doesn't seem to be a 'lists of Episcopal/Presbyterian/RC churches in Washington DC', but rather those 3 denominations have a category that notable churches can be/are placed in. OTOH, I think this could be useful ... but I'm a sucker for lists, so I'm biased toward wanting to keep this...  David V Houston (talk) 02:09, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think a solution I've proposed here and elsewhere might go some way toward balancing your concerns. How about a List of Eastern Orthodox churches in the United States? If we limited ourselves to notable churches, we'd have a couple dozen cathedrals and perhaps that many parishes as well. It'd be pretty manageable, since there aren't that many possible entries (as opposed to say RC or Methodist). And it'd be useful and encyclopedic as well. This, on the other hand, is telephone-directory material. - Biruitorul Talk 05:05, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The thing is that this can be handled better, in my opinion, with categories. The issue really is that most EO parishes aren't notable, just as most Episcopal parishes aren't notable. Mangoe (talk) 11:21, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 04:40, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete not a particularly encyclopedic list per criteria noted at WP:LIST, especially as a standalone list, it does not contain links to actual articles or potential articles, instead its merely a directory. The internet is filled with places where such directories are appropriate.  Wikipedia is not in that part of the internet.  -- Jayron  32  04:46, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as this entirely novel list topic contravene the prohibition on original research. As far as I can see, this list, or anything like it, has not be been published anywhere except within Wikipedia, so there is no evidence that it is verifiable, let alone notable. To demonstrate that this topic was not created out of thin air, a verifiable definition is needed to comply with content policy. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 07:55, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That it's novel doesn't mean it wrong--it just means we should do this for other cities also. the OR in assembling what count as Orthodox churches is about as trival as that involved in judged what constitutes Washington DC. (signed belatedly, sorry)  DGG ( talk ) 05:52, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Whether this topic is "right" or "wrong", the "truth" or "lies" should not concern us here. Either the existence of the topic is verifiable, or its not, in which case its unique to Wikipedia and as such is original research. It it is verifiable in some way then it would not have been brought to AFD. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 17:50, 24 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOTDIR and WP:NOTLINK.--70.80.234.196 (talk) 19:54, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTDIRECTORY. --TorriTorri(Talk to me!) 02:29, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
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