Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oscar Steer


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The result was delete. Black Kite (talk) 21:33, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Oscar Steer

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One role does not make someone notable. There was apperently a minor television role in 2014, but it is not enough to make notable. The sourcing on this atricle is atrocious, since none of the sources are reliable secondary sources, one is non-reliable and the other is a primary source. Wikipedia is not built on primary sourcing, just secondary. People should not do archival and public records research to create Wikipedia articles (I have seen enough direct census record citiations that have no evidence of being taken through 3rd party sourcing to believe that this rule is violated, but it is a rule) John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:59, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:01, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
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 * Weak Delete: The subject falls a little short of WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG, in my opinion—however, I am again concerned that this nominator has not carried out a WP:BEFORE, since the subject has appeared in more than one single television role. Dflaw4 (talk) 05:31, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I did a review of the non-reliable IMDb listing. I was unable to find any reliable sourcing at all. I did a very reasonable background check of available material. Demanding anything more than I did would create an insurmountable burden to even nominate articles for deletion. We have far too many articles that have existed for over a decade on living people with no reliable sources to think that even our current system makes it easy enough to nominate articles for dleetion. It clearly incentivies article creation too much and makes their removal too difficult.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:00, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * John Pack Lambert, I think you are misunderstanding me. My point is simply that you said, "One role does not make someone notable," when the subject has had more than one role, which I was able to confirm in sources beyond imdb. I don't think it is an insurmountable burden for a nominator to check how many roles an actor or actress has had, as it took me less than three minutes to do so. Thanks, Dflaw4 (talk) 03:34, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You are misreading my statement. What I was saying was that per the article there was only one thing that would ever come close to maybe being close to notable (The Nanny McPhee role), that is the one role I was mentioning. The TV episode appearance was in addition to the role. What I need to do is be more clear in what I write. I still hold that only one role is maybe, just maybe, enough to be counted as significant, but the guidelines say we need multiple significant roles, not just one.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:35, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for explaining, John Pack Lambert. And I agree—the subject does fall a little short of WP:NACTOR. Dflaw4 (talk) 07:24, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, xinbenlv  Talk, Remember to "ping" me 05:37, 21 March 2020 (UTC)


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