Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oscar van Dillen


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Consensus after the addition of some possible sources to this AFD is that sufficient sources are available to establish notability. These sources do need adding to the article. Davewild (talk) 10:00, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Oscar van Dillen

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DELETE. Did I just read that right, this WP:BLP has gone on unsourced since September 2007 and has yet to be deleted? How does that happen, exactly. Google News Archives returns no more than 4 unique matches, none of which appear to be reach the level of significant coverage I would expect for any biography. Fail. JBsupreme (talk) 21:54, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong delete Clearly nobody cares about the article, just like so many other unsourced BLPs on Wikipedia. No one will miss it if it's gone, because it doesn't belong here anyway. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 01:13, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. The news stories on Google news (not the best place to find Dutch news stories, it must be said) indicate that he has some minor celebrity as a contemporary composer and slightly more as a wikipedian (founder and first president of the Dutch wikipedia association, a former member of the board of trustees of the wikimedia foundation). Only one of the articles was really substantially about him; another quotes him in a story about wikipedia; another is an interview with a musician, whose concert was going to include a piece by van Dillen. I don't know enough about the scene to say whether he'd meet WP:MUSIC. --Paularblaster (talk) 02:23, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Nah. I can't read Dutch per se, but between the cognates and other key words, you're right about the coverage. I think the fact that the Dutch WP doesn't have an article on him is telling, though. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 04:04, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid you're wrong there: nl:Oscar van Dillen. Though he may not be the second coming of Mozart, I'd say he's notable as a modern composer, at least in the Netherlands. Wutsje (talk) 11:26, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That looks pretty weak. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 15:14, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If Cybele and Etcetera are substantial labels in the contemporary classical world then he meets WP:MUSIC; if not then he might meet some other criterium of notability, but I don't immediately see what it would be. Is there a classical music project who could advise? --Paularblaster (talk) 09:28, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong delete. Unreferenced BLP with nobody coming forward to offer sources ... --Paularblaster 18:46, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Changing that to keep. Between the couple of newspaper references we've already found, and the evidence (in amongst everything below) that the subject meets WP:MUSIC (e.g. the status of Cybele as a label that Der Spiegel thinks worth following). But somebody is going to have to put the sources in the article - we can't just have unreferenced BLPs lying about. --Paularblaster 12:19, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * please see e.g. http://www.componisten96.nl/index_en.html, http://www.imagesfestival.com/production.php?id=2788, http://www.acsn.nl/news/news-2008.html, http://www.dokument-festival.cz/mov_detail.phtml?mov_id=16617, http://cyclopspress.com/usuite-cameras.html, http://cyclopspress.com/usuite-news.html, http://sites.google.com/site/brethouwerharmen/Home/other, http://www.cybele.de/shop/shop_content.php?coID=8&language=en, http://www.etcetera-records.com/index.php?659 and http://www.dialoogacademie.nl/site/index.php/raad-van-advies online as well as e.g. http://www.schott-music.com/shop/Journals/Neue_Zeitschrift_fuer_Musik/1660804/show,174111.html and http://www.musiktexte.de/contents/de/d250.html#Ansatz in print, the latter containing the last article written by the renowned but now deceased writer de:Ulrich Dibelius, reviewing part of de stad. for those who know this field, it should be notable enough imho, since works have been funded by notable organizations such as nfpk (formerly fonds voor de scheppende toonkunst) and performed at notable stages such as concertgebouw, muziekgebouw aan het ij and beurs van berlage in amsterdam, de doelen and boijmans van beuningen rotterdam as well as the tonhalle in duesseldorf. however organizations such as these do not have their "histories" readily available online for "lazy googlers" such as wikipedia does in fact have. oscar (talk) 12:02, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You couldn't resist Posting a comment on a AfD request with a part of your username in it could you? The-Giant-Andrew (talk) 12:15, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Not everyone uses their full name in their user name, and it would be inappropriate for us to retitle the article to "Oscar" just because that's apparently the only name you know him by. ;) Lara  00:08, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * sourcing requires research, i just provided some more info to evaluate, but take no stand in the AfD. very best, oscar (talk) 12:23, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   07:15, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Relist comment: To give an opportunity to evaluate the newly provided sources.  Sandstein   07:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep per all the sources that have come to light UltraMagnusspeak 10:49, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Question: Apart from notability under wp:music, is he notable due to his former status as a member of the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation?  (Seriously, I don't know the answer).--Epeefleche (talk) 10:57, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep The sources found prove he is quite notable.  D r e a m Focus  21:36, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Questionably notable living person should be deleted. Hipocrite (talk) 21:38, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - I added some data from the nl-wikipedia article. The guy even was nominated for the Dutch equivalent of the movie Oscar in NL. If he would not have been on the wm board no one would perhaps even doubt his notability . He can't help he was on that board but he *is* quite a notable composer and musician. Kind regards, MoiraMoira (talk) 19:25, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to vote keep if a reliable source can be indicated for that nomination.--Epeefleche (talk) 08:14, 6 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  —David Eppstein (talk) 07:34, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per the nomination for the top Dutch film award, and as a founder of de Rotterdamse School which seems to have some independent notability. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:46, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
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