Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oskar Aichinger


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. As far as notability is concerned, there is no rule anywhere that says that non-English sources do not contribute to notability. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:40, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Oskar Aichinger

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Notability, not enough sources for an article of substance Vmavanti (talk) 07:40, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Vmavanti (talk) 07:40, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Austria-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 08:27, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Yunshui 雲 水 09:57, 12 August 2019 (UTC) Vmavanti (talk) 15:38, 14 August 2019 (UTC) Vmavanti (talk) 02:18, 15 August 2019 (UTC) Vmavanti (talk) 17:49, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep A Google News search throws up multiple hits. I've added two pieces that look good quality to the article and there appears to be more available. Bondegezou (talk) 10:30, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Nope. Not in English, because I checked. What language do you speak? This is the English Wikipedia. Although the documentation doesn't forbid foreign sources, it does discourage them. For one reason, machine translations are terrible. For another, most readers of the English Wikpedia speak English and English alone. Therefore it is a real slap in the face to expect them to read a language they don't understand.
 * As per WP:NONENG, a Wikipedia policy, while English-language citations are preferred where possible, "Citations to non-English reliable sources are allowed on the English Wikipedia." If non-English sources exist, that satisfies notability criteria.
 * Your own tone, comments like "What language do you speak?" and "a real slap in the face", are inappropriate and I would remind you of WP:AGF. Bondegezou (talk) 22:10, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, my tone is completely appropriate and my arguments are sound. Let's stay on the ground. If you think I am being sarcastic when I asked what language you speak, you are reading between the lines. If the subject in front of us is foreign language sources, then of course it's logical to ask what language you speak, esp. if one is enthusiastic about foreign language sources and has recommended them. My question was serious and stated in plain language. My point about favoring foreign language sources OVER English is also serious and not all sarcastic or a put down. Imagine a Wikipedia article in English where all the sources are in a different language. That's a slap in the face of English-speaking readers because they have no way of using those sources. You repeated a point I already made about policy, and there was no need to do that, so I could question your tone but I won't. Let's try to stay on Earth and speak plainly. You said "A Google News search throws up multiple hits" but you neglected to mention that every one of those hits is in a language other than English. I return to the point I made earlier: English is preferred. Given that it is preferred, let us use English on the English Wikipedia nearly all the time for the benefit of English speaking readers, hundreds of millions, rather than privilege those few who happen to speak other languages. There are other Wikipedias in other languages. No one is being marginalized except English speaking readers.
 * Yes, English-language sources are preferred. However, that is irrelevant for the purposes of determining notability. If there are reliable sources, then WP:GNG is satisfied and the article should not be deleted. It does not matter what language those sources are in with respect to a decision about the article's notability. Your comments have no basis in Wikipedia policy.
 * Where possible, we should replace non-English-language sourcing with English-language sourcing. Where not possible, we use non-English-language sourcing. I have added sources to the article. I couldn't see any English-language sources containing the same material, so I used non-English-language sources. As per policy.
 * What language I speak is irrelevant. See WP:ADHOM. Bondegezou (talk) 11:18, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I consider false accusations and distorting comments acts of incivility. Fortunately, facts and solving problems are more important to me than the futile attempt to control whether other people are nice or good. There's no point in repeating the points I have made, and there's no point in your repeating points I have made. Sources are necessarily at the heart of notability. Therefore the language of sources is relevant, especially when there are few sources available or when all the sources available are in a foreign language. There's really no way to avoid common sense, even when you are interpreting policy. Your language is relevant if it influences your judgment about what sources are acceptable. The language that readers of English Wikipedia speak—English—is most important of all. Any writer, editor, teacher, or Wikipedia policy pedant will tell you to keep in mind the audience first over one's own preferences. Let's put the interests of readers first. That is policy.

–Vmavanti (talk) 23:52, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Foreign language sources are perfecly acceptable, particularly for non-English subjects, and using google translate is easier for readers than tracking down off-line sources Atlantic306 (talk) 17:55, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I have expanded the article further, with citations. Bondegezou (talk) 09:57, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Google Translate can't even get the pronouns right. I have seen that many times. I can't even persuade you to use colons instead of asterisks. Do you really think the asterisk is an easier key to hit than the colon? Of course it isn't. Do you think it looks better? Of course it doesn't. When you use an asterisk, you get two large black dots with a gap between them. Debate privileges reason, but if people can't be reasonable about something as simple and obvious as using colons on Talk pages, there will be no real debate. Let's not make this another "Do it my way just because..." power struggle. The mature, down to earth method is to argue these points and consider them carefully and thoughtfully.


 * Keep I’ve added a bit more material and a couple of refs. There is clearly enough in German to support the notability of the subject, and I’m afraid the idea that we need to avoid sources from languages other than English is completely wrong. Mccapra (talk) 04:19, 19 August 2019 (UTC)


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