Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Otano (Navarra)


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The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn by nominator and no (more) redirect !votes thanks to the expansion. (non-admin closure) ~Styyx Talk? ^-^ 14:55, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Otano (Navarra)

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No evidence of either significant coverage or legal recognition that would meet WP:GEOLAND. INE database source lists this as a Unidad Poblacional, and the other source is just a map which can't be used to establish notability. The rate of article creation makes me skeptical that due diligence was done here. –dlthewave ☎ 04:04, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. –dlthewave ☎ 04:04, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Spain-related deletion discussions. –dlthewave ☎ 04:04, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. The fact it still has a parish church indicates notability. It obviously once existed as a village of some importance. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:59, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Necrothesp - where's the parish church? Or, put another way, would we keep an article that is just about a parish church absent a GNG pass? FOARP (talk) 10:13, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Clearly marked on Google Maps and very obviously a church. It's not about the church. It's confirmation that this is, or at least was, a village of some importance. Having a parish church in a Christian country = clear legal recognition, at least historically (and, as we should all know, as far as Wikipedia is concerned, once notable equals always notable), and that passes WP:GEOLAND. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:29, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Churches/chapels/etc. are everywhere - don't we need evidence of the existence of an actual Parish? This is setting aside the problems with using GMaps as our source for this. EDIT: I aslo note that there is a stand-alone church similarly labelled "Parroquia católica La Purísima" just up the road from this location, so it is not obvious that these churches are automatically associated with settlements. FOARP (talk) 10:46, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I've added evidence that this is a parish and a settlement.Ingratis (talk) 17:58, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

*Redirect to Noáin - regardless of whether this location is or is not legally recognised (which is highly dubious), there is literally nothing in this article about the site which is not already discussed in the municipality article, where it is already included in a list of villages that are part of the municipality with their population. FOARP (talk) 10:59, 16 December 2021 (UTC) Happy to flip to keep per new sources. FOARP (talk) 01:26, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Necro.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 17:35, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep a quick check/search of the reference in the Spanish language wiki demonstrates that this indeed passes WP:GEOLAND. SportingFlyer  T · C  13:29, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Uh, SportingFlyer, the ES wiki article is unreferenced, see here: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otano . It does have an external link, but that’s to what appears to have been a blog/personal website. FOARP (talk) 14:40, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Not unreferenced, there is that link, and we're after WP:V, not GNG. SportingFlyer  T · C  15:01, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * But it's not RS, so no V.FOARP (talk) 15:57, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * That's fine. Martín Javier Mina y Larrea was born there, and this came up instantly in a search. We're not reliant on just one source. SportingFlyer  T · C  16:03, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep - I've added more refs. It's a settlement and a parish, which is more than adequate as "legal recognition", whatever exactly that is supposed to mean in a mediaeval European context, and it's been there since no later than the Middle Ages: it's notable. All of this would have come up with anything more than a cursory BEFORE. I have some sympathy with the desire to tidy up certain geostubs but this is not the way to go about it. Ingratis (talk) 17:58, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Withdraw nomination - Article has been expanded to demonstrate notability. –dlthewave ☎ 13:15, 18 December 2021 (UTC)


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