Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Other researchers who claim or may claim their crucial roles in the discovery of graphene


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. I disclose that I was asked by Angryapathy to look at this debate. It is clear that all experienced editors agree with deletion on grounds of WP:OR and WP:NPOV, and the only !votes for keep are single-purpose accounts. The material is entirely redundant to Graphene. The additional WP:BLP concerns justify an early close. Fences &amp;  Windows  19:23, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Other researchers who claim or may claim their crucial roles in the discovery of graphene

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Contested PROD. This article seems to consist entirely of the author's opinion, failing WP:NPOV AND WP:OR. Cassandra 73 (talk) 12:22, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. POV issues for starters, and not enough here for a separate entry, any valid information can go to Graphene. Hairhorn (talk) 13:57, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete for reasons given. any valuable references and text belong in the graphene article. this also a WP:FORK.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 17:20, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. If this information belongs anywhere in Wikipedia, it belongs in Graphene, rather than here where it has no context. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:56, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, appears to be a content fork. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 19:13, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.   talk 19:28, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep nice. I will edit the page later this week. graphene page is too long for including such extras. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Absolutef (talk • contribs) 09:21, 7 December 2009 (UTC)  — Absolutef (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep I would certainly leave this page. It is slightly messy but it is not a FORK. More people should be included of course. I expect some of the information from graphene pages can eventually be moved here. Otherwise, the original page is far too long. I agree with the previous comment. Please do not delete to keep the wiki tidy. If no one reads, the article will be forgotten anyway. Best, Simon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.249.228.169 (talk) 10:59, 7 December 2009 (UTC) — 69.249.228.169 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep Why to delete? Looks good to me (I am involved in the graphene work) but should also mention some other people. It is important to pay credit to those who are not mentioned in the main page. KlausMn (talk) 15:30, 7 December 2009 (UTC) — KlausMn (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Looks like a sock-fest has occurred here. Oh, and delete per above. Angryapathy (talk) 17:49, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed I contribute on the specific subject of graphene and very rarely. Why should I edit pages on subjects that I know little about?! Cassandra 75 make this sound like a crime. I think he/she just wants to delete this page as this was his/her original suggestion (if I am not mistaken), and other opinions are not tolerated. Whatever ... I am off and leave everything to the guys who think that know more than anyone else. KlausMn (talk) 19:19, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:NPOV and WP:OR issues. Warrah (talk) 20:51, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  —David Eppstein (talk) 06:47, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Indeed a clear case of WP:NPOV and WP:OR. Assessments of this nature are best made a long time after the event. Xxanthippe (talk) 10:14, 8 December 2009 (UTC).
 * Delete. I could see a place for an article that listed graphene researchers and their contributions to their subject, although it seems an extremely narrow focus. But that's not what this is: it selects only some subset of (supposedly underappreciated) researchers, and includes editorial evaluations of their work. Along with the problem of original research by synthesis (pulling together information on these different researchers despite the lack of sources that treat them as a group), the large quantity of editorialization is seriously unencyclopedic. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:20, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I wnated to add another name but why should I if the page is to be deleted? Potentially this can be a very valuable resource more valuable that the personal wiki pages of the two or three listed researchers. I am interested in the history of the subject not in the personalities involved. If deleting, please move the info somewhere. 71.226.75.223 (talk) 23:30, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, an OR and POV vehicle. Nsk92 (talk) 01:06, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Not a significant enough topic to deserve its own article. No real reasons have been advance for keeping it. ("Nice" is not a reason to keep, nor is "Please do not delete to keep the wiki tidy", nor "I am interested in the history of the subject", etc.) JamesBWatson (talk) 12:02, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment The users arguing for "keep" have all edited only on this topic, some have edited only in connection with this AfD, and some of them share similar unorthodox use of English in at least some of their edits. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:02, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * If I am not mistaken, no one who suggested to delete this page had ever contributed to the topic. It's easier to judge then ;-) Franklinlucas (talk) 15:27, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I am Walt de Heer. The list of “Other researchers who claim or may claim their crucial roles in the discovery of graphene” includes me. This entry, and its implications are disgusting and the opinions of a few apparently biased writers. In fact, not a single scientist, save one, for the past fifty years of graphene history has ever claimed the discovery of graphene in any form. It was known to exist in every form that it exists today for a long time. The first person synthesize suspended graphene is Prof. HP Boehm who is a still active carbon chemist. Even he never claimed its discovery which says a lot. Even in 1962 he knew graphene existed in its free state, and yes I have spoken with him. Moreover until recently he did not even know that anybody even had made the claim (in fact many graphene chemist do not know that about the 2004 graphene discovery claim). Boehm is not even on the “list”, which shows how thorough the research is here. In fact it appears to be little more than the opinion of clearly biased individuals. I know all of the people on the list personally and none of them intend to claim the discovery of graphene in any form. To see our names in print in this way and our accomplishments reduced to one-liners, originally including inappropriate “verdicts” is beyond the pale and borders libel. To next see an endless debate of this kind ensue to decide whether it is appropriate or not is demeaning to serious scientists. We will not be bullied into this petty fight or engage in this pointless discussion. I hope that KlausMn, FrankenLucas and Carbophiliac are taking note of this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.207.141.226 (talk) 16:07, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * While I understand your concerns, you should understand that for your reasons and many other Wikipedia-related reasons, this article is slated for deletion. The Articles for Deletion process takes up to a week to run its course, but as has been noted near the top of this page, this is not a vote, and the result of this debate will be based on Wikipedia policy and not on opinions of editors. This article violates many of the rules of Wikipedia, and I am confident that in a few days, this article will be deleted, along with all potentially offense material. I apologize that you feel this is an endless debate, but there are literally hundreds of articles added each day, and the current process for deletion is a community-based decison (for most cases). This debate has been occurring for three days, and soon an administrator will make a decison on the fate of the article. Angryapathy (talk) 19:11, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.