Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Otto Frederick Warmbier


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep apparently (NAC). SwisterTwister  talk  22:57, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Otto Frederick Warmbier

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He is a nonnotable college student. He got in the news for one event, getting convicted of stealing a propaganda banner in North Korea and getting sentenced to 15 years hard labor. Per WP:BLP1E. Edison (talk) 21:23, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. This isn't one off coverage of a single event, there's already three months' worth of ongoing and persistent coverage in numerous highly reliable sources. He's very likely to continue to be in the news for years to come as well. Page will develop just like Kenneth Bae, which is fairly lengthy. FuriouslySerene (talk) 21:54, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Besides, this person has attracted media attention (and thus public interest) from all over the world. Cheers from Amsterdam, The Netherlands. Mcouzijn (talk) 21:56, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. It isn't one event, it has been an ongoing story. Puffysphere (talk) 22:39, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Many sources, useful info for other would-be "perpetrators". Zezen (talk) 23:08, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * KEEP. We are a country of freedom of speech. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:37F0:6A70:5141:9D44:F700:7E96 (talk) 00:36, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * While "freedom of speech" doesn't exactly apply here on Wikipedia, I do note that we have similar articles for people like Merrill Newman, John Short, Matthew Todd Miller, Jeffrey Edward Fowle, Hyeon Soo Lim, and Kim Dong Chul, among others. This article, like the others, has had consistent coverage from sources around the world. 96.246.144.195 (talk) 04:08, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  /wiae   /tlk  01:54, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions.  /wiae   /tlk  01:54, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions.  /wiae   /tlk  01:54, 17 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep. It's an ongoing event that will continue to develop. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.44.208.83 (talk) 07:00, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. "One event" doesn't mean something or someone is non-notable.  This is international, high-profile news involving major political figures and entities.  Nominating the subject for deletion is absurd.Adrigon (talk) 08:53, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Not only an arrest but also conviction. Very likely not to be a one off event in relation to this person. Mootros (talk) 09:44, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. As per Adrigon, Mootros etc. JS (talk) 12:34, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment to closing admin I moved the page from Otto Frederick Warmbier to Otto Warmbier per Wiki policy of WP:COMMONNAME (as I noted in the edit summary, the vast majority of sources do not use his middle name). FuriouslySerene (talk) 13:44, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * While personally I believe people like Warmbier who are notable only for being imprisoned by North Korea should be compiled into one article like Foreign prisoners of North Korea, it seems the consensus is this article should be kept, so I vote to close this discussion per WP:SNOWBALL. Mmyers1976 (talk) 17:25, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep certainly a notable incident, worthy of inclusion on WP. - the WOLF  child  18:28, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Further comment, since the incident is more notable, as opposed to the person, perhaps a rename is in order? Either way, the page should be kept. - the WOLF  child  18:31, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Parts 2 and 3 of BLP1E are not satisfied. Freed DPRK prisoners generally remain somewhat well known, if not household names. And through his choice to vacation in NK, Warmbier's role in what happened was significant -- Americans are warned all the time not to travel to NK, specifically because this might happen. Kid wanted North Korea, and he got North Korea. Townlake (talk) 02:44, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * This is a classic example of victim blaming. The article itself mentions that several other Americans left the country without incident. Since he took the propaganda banner, he is partly responsible for what happened, but implying that he deserves this harsh punishment is rude. – Alensha   talk  11:14, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * My post is tied directly to the criteria listed in BLP1E. It's not my place to assign "blame." Townlake (talk) 16:33, 18 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep although it could practically be renamed to reflect the incident since it is a 1E scenario. B137 (talk) 14:50, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep: individual alone isn't notable, but the event is. The article could be renamed like B137 suggested. -- ChamithN   (talk)  05:16, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
 * keep It shows what North Korea is like. North Korea will sell him one day for some food or machines. -- Querstange (talk) 10:46, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is history in the making. Mcintosh3102 (talk) 23:31, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. It looks like this event is going to continue for a long time. Mikael Häggström (talk) 09:24, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Most other cases have similar articles: cf. List of Americans detained by North Korea. (20040302 (talk) 12:38, 21 March 2016 (UTC))


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