Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Otto Oeldenberger


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete and redirect to TSV 1860 Munich. The consensus is clear that WP:GNG is not met in the absence of significant coverage. Arguing that the article should be kept based on participation, on WP:OSE or on WP:SOURCESEXIST is not persuasive, since those arguments are not supported by policy. Salvio giuliano 10:28, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Otto Oeldenberger

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Does not appear to meet WP:NSPORT or WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Of the six references included, four of them are sports database entries, and the other two are passing mentions. Was draftified in hopes of improvement, but was returned immediately without improvement.  Onel 5969  TT me 17:33, 6 March 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:13, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Played in the 1931 German football championship and was on the 1940–41 Gauliga Bayern winning team. Nearly every current member of the team has an article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSV_1860_Munich#Players), so it's odd that they would be relevant, yet this person wouldn't. Obviously, there's limitations on sources due to being old and in another language. Use Common Sense and The rules are principles applies. This is one of 3 articles OP has tried to delete of mine today so, Wikipedia is not Whac-A-Mole. Doesn't seem to answer The one question.  KatoKungLee (talk) 17:44, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * As previously discussed in multiple locations, participation based notability standards were removed as part of WP:NSPORTS2022. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:15, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football,  and Germany. Shellwood (talk) 17:55, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:46, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 20:05, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per KatoKungLee. Definitely has offline sources having had extensive career in 1920s-40s including top flight professional football in Germany. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:21, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:13, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Oeldenberger is mentioned in Legenden in Weiß und Blau. 100 Jahre Fußballgeschichte eines Münchner Traditionsvereins and it says the following on him (translated): "Otto Oeldenberger, who had just outgrown his own youth, made his debut in the first team in September 1928. He was initially seen as Sebastian Gabler's successor on the left wing, but that didn't work out and he moved to the left half-forward position in the following years. In the final match against Hertha BSC, he scored the opening goal for the Lions. He had actually already retired after the 1933/34 season, but was persuaded to continue in 1935 due to the difficult sporting situation at 1860. Although actually only in the Altherren team (seniors' team) of the Lions active, he also stood in for players in the first years of World War II again and again, if not enough players were available." BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:51, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Played in a top German team, multiple offline sources exist, information on German wiki, Govvy (talk) 15:46, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Some people are voting simply based off participation but the participation based criteria (WP:NFOOTY) was deprecated based on WP:NSPORTS2022. This has all the same issues as Fritz Neumayr did. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:13, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per above references in Legenden in Weiß und Blau. 100 Jahre Fußballgeschichte eines Münchner Traditionsvereins.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:40, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: BLP with no SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. Fail GNG, NSPORT, NSPORTS2022. BLPs need completely clear and reliable sourcing: WP:SPORTBASIC Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources..  // Timothy :: talk  12:45, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't find the entry in a book dedicated to the history of his team to be substantial enough for GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 17:16, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Coverage doesn’t substantiate claims to notability and falls short of satisfying WP:GNG. Shawn Teller (talk) 22:45, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete Per above. I don’t see enough SIGCOV to justify an article. Carson Wentz (talk) 03:04, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to TSV 1860 Munich. I feel like there should be better coverage of a player who spent two decades in high-level German football, but there isn't, and WP:NFOOTY isn't a thing anymore. As a longtime former player, his name is a reasonable search term and he is included in this section (and other players without articles are included in this section as well, so there is no need to remove his name from that list if the article is deleted/redirected).  Frank   Anchor  13:47, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - Article fails WP:GNG; the entry in Legenden in Weiß und Blau isn't SIGCOV. Jogurney (talk) 18:57, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Doesn't meet the requirements of WP:SIGCOV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by StarryNightSky11 (talk • contribs) 23:55, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.