Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Otto von Helldorff


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The result was Withdrawn by nominator‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ before this discussion starts to look like WP:SNOW. It's obvious I didn't WP:BEFORE this beforehand. (non-admin closure) Jalen Folf   (talk)  20:44, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Otto von Helldorff

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Setting aside sockpuppetry issues, no WP:SIGCOV of this individual. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NPOL. Jalen Folf  (talk)  19:33, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Germany.  Jalen Folf   (talk)  19:33, 26 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep: Are you sure he doesn't meet WP:NPOL as a member of the Reichstag (German Empire) for what looks like 16 years? That looks like an NPOL position to me.
 * TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 19:37, 26 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep: Beyond the clear NPOL pass, the article also contains sources providing WP:SIGCOV, most clearly this entry in Deutsche Biographie, with sources like and  providing pretty good supplementary coverage as well. Curbon7 (talk) 19:50, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * He also appears to have an entry in the book Biographisches Handbuch der Abgeordneten des Norddeutschen Reichstages, des Zollparlaments und der Deutschen Reichstage 1867-1918 (Biographical Handbook of the Members of the North German Reichstag, the Customs Parliament and the German Reichstag 1867-1918) by Heinrich Best, but the book does not appear to be digitized and the weblink for his entry is a permanent dead link. Curbon7 (talk) 19:54, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. The references already in the article constitute WP:SIGCOV. As TulsaPoliticsFan pointed out, as a member of the German Empire's parliament, he passes WP:NPOL. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 20:03, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, the German Wikipedia lists several people at de:Heinrich_von_Helldorff who probably pass the English Wikipedia's notability standards. One is Otto's father, I think. Those German articles are probably worth translating, although I'm not volunteering to do the translations. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 20:10, 26 June 2023 (UTC)


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