Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ottoman–Portuguese conflicts (1558–1566)


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The result was merge to Ottoman–Portuguese conflicts (1538–1559). And possibly elsewhere.  Sandstein  22:49, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Ottoman–Portuguese conflicts (1558–1566)

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Fictional conflict. All the supposed encounters listed in the article either didn't happen (there was no siege of Malacca in 1558), or happened outside the time frame or belong in a more appropriate page such as the Ottoman-Portuguese conflicts (1538-1559). The Portuguese and Turks actually abstained from fighting between 1559 until 1580. Crenelator (talk) 20:51, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: This page is just over 10 years old. Is it a Wikipedia hoax or one that originated elsewhere? LaundryPizza03 (talk) 21:10, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:31, 29 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment: Frankly I believe it might just be the product of someone's lack of proper sources. Crenelator (talk) 21:39, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Then is Clodtfelter (who mentions Malacca) drawing on Wikipedia for his data? Is this another Bicholim? Kges1901 (talk) 23:13, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I just checked the source and, yeah, it's full of errors. Crenelator (talk) 01:36, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 04:19, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Asia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 04:19, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Portugal-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 04:19, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 04:19, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Give it another week to see if folks from the WikiProject that pinged want to weigh in.
 * Delete as WP:OR. The sole content that isn't background (in terms of the date range, and I'm looking at 1559+ as we have a 1538-1559 article) is this sentence in the lead - During this period, the Ottomans attacked Portuguese ships, forts, and settlements in the Indian Ocean, Asia and East Africa. This period came to an end in 1566, with the death of Suleiman the Magnificent, and the Ottoman Empire's following acceptance of Portugal's domination of the Indian Ocean. - which is un-sourced and seems to describe possible piracy and raiding and not much more.Icewhiz (talk) 13:46, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge subsection. The "1558" siege of Malacca appears to be based on a typo (see Siege of Malacca (1568)). There was, however, a siege of Bahrain in 1559. See Fuccaro (2009) Histories of City and State in the Persian Gulf: Manama Since 1800 p. 60. This, however, belongs in Ottoman–Portuguese conflicts (1538–1559) where it is currently mentioned but not specifically referenced. There is something to be said for merging the remaining text and references from Ottoman–Portuguese_conflicts_(1558–1566) to Ottoman–Portuguese_conflicts_(1538–1559) which is currently unreferenced. 24.151.116.12 (talk) 18:01, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge with Aftermath section of Ottoman–Portuguese conflicts (1538–1559). These sorts of conflicts probably did not end in a clear peace treaty, so that further minor conflicts are to be expected.  This article attempts to draw together events at Malacca and Bahrain and make them a single conflict, when they are a great distance apart.  I would be surprised if the Ottomans has much influence in Aceh.  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:24, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator and explanation by 24.151.116.12. Srnec (talk) 03:41, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge to Ottoman–Portuguese conflicts (1538–1559) as per above. I'm also pinging WT:MILHIST about this AfD power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 16:56, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  A  Train talk 18:21, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge to Ottoman–Portuguese conflicts (1538–1559) per above. D4iNa4 (talk) 18:43, 5 January 2018 (UTC)


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