Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ouch my toes are burining


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The result was speedy delete. WP:SNOW unanimous deletion, and ALSO per WP:CSD. ☺ ·  Salvidrim!   ·  &#9993;  14:23, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Ouch my toes are burining

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This article was created by the original author claiming it is a mixed drink. A web search threw up zero links for the article title as a drink. Post this, I nominated this article under the A11 criteria as the web search results combined with a plain reading of the article indicated to me that the so-named drink may have been discovered or invented by the author in a pub (say). The A11 criteria mentions that the tag can be placed on an article that "plainly indicates" that the author or someone close to him "discovered" this topic (the policy also links to the fact that such discoveries may be made in "pubs"). The CSD was removed and a Prod put by, claiming that there was no evidence that the creator invented the cocktail. I removed the Prod and provided the web search reasoning for the speedy delete nomination. I provided further reasoning to McGeddon on my talk page, writing that the A11 policy extended to "discoveries" in "pubs" too, as per the exact wordings in the policy. Post that, an administrator again reverted me and replaced the removed Prod back on the article mentioning that A11 requires evidence that the author made it up.

I have read A11 deeply and have not found the mention of explicit evidence requirement of the author making up the topic. Perhaps the words "plainly indicates" in the A11 policy alludes to the same (I am not sure). Nevertheless, while I notified the administrator that his move went against established PROD policy (that a removed Prod may not be placed back), I am moving ahead and nominating this article for deletion through this discussion. Xender Lourdes (talk) 05:11, 8 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as unsourced. Reading it again it seems to be a Bloody Mary with a little curry powder, but not a sufficiently notable variant to be worth a merge (nearest I could find getting secondary source coverage was a "Bloody Maharani" with curry powder, and gin instead of vodka). --McGeddon (talk) 09:58, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as not notable - no sources supplied, none found.
 * Comment on the procedures involved here:
 * The policy for A11 deletions is defined by the actual words of WP:CSD, which are "This applies to any article that plainly indicates that the subject was invented/coined/discovered by the article's creator or someone they know personally, and does not credibly indicate why its subject is important or significant" (my emphasis). There is no such indication in this article, so A11 does not apply and was correctly declined. Just being something made up one day is not enough for speedy.
 * The rule against replacing a PROD "excludes removals that are clearly not an objection to deletion" (see WP:DEPROD). Replacing a PROD by a speedy is evidently not an objection to deletion, so if the speedy is then declined it is allowable to replace the PROD.
 * JohnCD (talk) 12:06, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the patient clarification. (As I mentioned on your talk page, it's been a learning experience for me to understand the nuances involved in A11 and in the related Prod tag. This will assist me in the future.) Xender Lourdes (talk) 04:00, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.  /wiae   /tlk  14:00, 8 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. This article has no place in Wikipedia, per, along with the policies mentioned by JohnCD, WP:GNG, WP:CS, and general common sense. Colonel Wilhelm Klink (Complaints|Mistakes) 01:20, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. No sources are provided, and I would be surprised if any sources even exist. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:32, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete -- I dug around on Google for sources, and I did find the Bloody Maharani (as well as several other mentions of Bloody Mary with curry powder, such as this and this), but "Ouch my toes are burning" does not seem to be notable, as for that I only found Wikipedia. ♫ ekips39 (talk) ❀ 22:47, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete No evidence this even exists... Elaenia (talk) 07:37, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails notability. I also could find no references at all. Nothing more than a drink recipe, the article reads like something made up.The misspelled title makes me wonder of the article creator might have had one too many of the drinks. Geoff &#124; Who, me? 20:41, 11 March 2016 (UTC)


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