Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ouk-Khmer (Hill's version)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Makruk. Eddie891 Talk Work 14:19, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Ouk-Khmer (Hill's version)

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As the article describes, this game doesn't really exist and was included in The Encyclopedia of Chess Variants by mistake. Actual Cambodian Chess is described at Makruk.

The majority of text in this article is effectively an errata for The Encyclopedia of Chess Variants, describing how it came to be included in that text. This effectively makes the subject of the article a minor aspect of the creation of a book we do not even have a dedicated article about.

I propose deleting this page about a non-existent entity, and summarising the Encyclopedia of Chess Variants mistake in one or two lines at Makruk. LukeSurlt c 10:31, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. LukeSurlt c 10:31, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cambodia-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:51, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

*Keep. It has an entry in a specialized encyclopedia as well as other sources. It's verifiable in terms of wikipedia's policies on sourcing. The criticisms laid out by the nominator seem to be based in WP:Original research, rather than in published criticism of the entry within The Encyclopedia of Chess Variants.4meter4 (talk) 02:23, 23 June 2021 (UTC) Delete or redirect Per above.4meter4 (talk) 11:02, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect. The nom is correct. This is an interesting chess trivia, but really niche - an entry in one book that got a one-page coverage in a non-notable chess magazine (Chess Variant) published by a probably non-notable organization (British Chess Variants Society) and later discussed on a personal website . Unless better sources are found, this is a story for the chess fandom wiki, but not for Wikipedia. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  04:02, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - I have added a one sentence summary to Makruk describing this "variant". --LukeSurlt c 15:04, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * sources appear to meet our sourcing requirements. Still, a redirect (with ideally a bit more than a sentence) might make sense given the nature of the situation. Hobit (talk) 05:46, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , I strongly contend this claim of OR. The criticism of this entry in the first edition of The Encyclopedia of Chess Variants exists in the 2nd edition of The Encyclopedia of Chess Variants and is followed up by the co-author of the 2nd edition at and also at  solving the riddle of how it came to be so included. All of this is documented with citations in the article in this section. Quite simply, it is demonstrably true this game never existed, and is either the product of a mistake or a hoax. --LukeSurlt c 08:47, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Three-check chess was closed as redirect to List of chess variants despite being documented in The Encyclopedia of Chess Variants and others, as well as being widely played online. It seems incongruous to delete that while keeping an article on a non-existent variant. --LukeSurlt c 08:56, 23 June 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.