Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oury Jalloh


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The result was KEEP. postdlf (talk) 02:11, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Oury Jalloh

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This article is essentially a conspiracy theory saying that Oury Jalloh was murdered by the police and public authorities try to to cover this. The real story is that he was sentenced to 3 and a half year for drug dealing. Some days later the police was called as he attacked the cleaner at a train station. It was later found out that he was on drugs and got a Blood alcohol content of 4‰ at this time. He was brought to the next police station. Because he knock around himself he was enchained in his cell. During this he was smuggling a cigarette lighter in his butt. As he was alone in his cell he tooked the cigarette lighter out of his butt and inflamed the mattress at which he was layin. Given that he was enchained on this mattress he suffered a heat shock and died. After that the normal investigations where made and the case was closed. Because Jalloh was black and the media was searching for a story they made baseless allegations to the police. This resulted in a large public pressure to the authorities. In the end the case was reopened and two policemen became charged (One for not finding the cigarette lighter in the butt of Jalloh, the other for reacting to slow as he noticed the fire (at this time Jalloh was already dead)). The case went through multiple instances. Meanwhile the policeman who did not find the cigarette lighter was finally acquited. The problem with this article is that it is not possible to bring it in a neutral style, because if someone did so, it takes only a few days until a troublemaker appears and destruct it again. It also looks like that the article is manipulated by people who want to profit from public interest. This Mouctar Bah who is mentioned in the article is also a drug dealer who (with some people around him) would have been sent back to Sierra Leone long ago if he wouldn't understand it to use the public interest on the case to make pressue on the local authorities not to send him back. It seems possible that he is behind some of the backbiting edits on the article. Given that, in contrast to the german version of the article, nobody is monitoring the article permanently, it seems the best to erase it. Besides that the article is in a terrible condition. GrandpaScott (talk) 11:50, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Under WP:BLP1E this article if kept should be re-named "Death of Oury Jalloh" because this individual is notable only for dying in prison. The article does have very substantial neutrality and weight issues, but can be saved. This announcement by the British Institute of Race Relations indicates that the Jalloh case has gone to Germany's Federal Court, and that an independent international commission of human rights lawyers has been set up to examine the case. I am sure much more can be found by a German-speaking editor. The reasons given by the nom are not reasons for deletion, see WP:BEFORE. Jonathanwallace (talk) 12:30, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It is true that the case has gone to Germany's Federal Court, which recommited the case back to a lower Court ruling that more expert's reports should be made. Before that 3 reports where made, all stating Jalloh died of a heat shock. Now two more of this expert's reports will be made. This so called independent international commission of human rights lawyers is a group of german lawyers who try to boost there own market value by using the public interest on the case. The problem to save the article ist that, like I said before, good changes on it will be destroyed soon after, if nobody is monitoring the article permanently. --GrandpaScott (talk) 13:02, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:00, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
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 * Speedy keep. It hardly gets much more notable than this case. I saw the name on my watchlist in connection with an AfD, immediately recognised it, and went WTF? Every German who reads a newspaper occasionally would react like that. Likewise for any German who occasionally watches TV news. Plenty available sources, including thousands of in-depth newspaper reports on all aspects of the case and a mention in Amnesty International's human rights report on Germany. Some of these sources are already in the article. I suggest that the nominator acquaints himself with WP:GNG and WP:TE . Hans Adler 09:06, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * For anyone who doubts my words:
 * Two AfDs for de:Oury Jalloh in 2008 were closed early as they were obviously baseless given that Oury Jalloh had been all over the German news for more than 2 years.
 * A 2006 film specifically about Oury Jalloh's death was subsidised by the German government and received the de:Deutscher Menschenrechts-Filmpreis (German Human Rights Film Award). The same award went to the 2008 documentary "Oury Jalloh".
 * The 2009 song Saharasand by Funny van Dannen is specifically about Oury Jalloh's death.
 * Just some reliable sources on the case from this year (6 years after Jalloh's death):
 * Warum starb Oury Jalloh? -- Süddeutsche Zeitung ("the largest German national subscription daily newspaper")
 * Polizist beschreibt aggressives Verhalten Jallohs -- Die Zeit ("German nationwide weekly newspaper that is highly respected for its quality journalism")
 * Polizist bricht sein Schweigen -- Die Tageszeitung
 * Der Fall des toten Asylbewerbers Oury Jalloh wird neu verhandelt -- video news piece on website of Frankfurter Allgemeine ("German newspaper with the widest circulation abroad, with its editors claiming to deliver the newspaper to 148 countries every day"); the print article that appeared on the same day is not freely available.
 * For some coverage in English see here. Note how persistent it is. Deutsche Welle (international state-owned broadcaster similar to BBC Worldservice) reported in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010.
 * I suggest that an admin closes this per WP:SNOW. Hans Adler 08:14, 27 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep Nominator is not making an argument for why this is not notable.--Banana (talk) 09:07, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
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