Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Out of the Blue (Cornerstone album)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was DELETE.  Spinning Spark  14:00, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Out of the Blue (Cornerstone album)

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One-ref stub with no assertion of notability per WP:NALBUMS, and no evidence of it. This is a WP:POINTy creation, intended solely to increase the link count on Template:Doogie White, whose deletion the creator is contesting at Templates for discussion/Log/2013 March 16.

This falls so far short of notability that I PRODded it, but sadly the creator contested the PROD despite offering no claim of notability, let alone evidence of notability. The grounds for contesting was that "having more than 3-4 albums within a band article gets messy" ... but that's plain silly. There is no requirement to splat the entire tracklist of every non-notable album into a band article, and if doing so would overwhelm the article, then don't don't include the tracklist.

User:Jax 0677's WP:POINTy crapflood of stubs on clearly non-notable albums is getting worse, not better. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:43, 28 March 2013 (UTC) It's also a pity that Jax yet again misrepresents Wikipedia talk:Notability (music). There is no requirement to merge, let alone to merge losslessly. The guidance at Notability (music) remains that info on non-notable topics "may be included in other ways in Wikipedia, provided that certain conditions are met". There is definitely no requirements to splat a musician's article with the tracklist of a non-notable album by a non-notable band of which he happened to be a member. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:55, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note that this one of 3 AFDs for non-notable albums by Cornerstone (Danish band) (which is itself at AFD:Cornerstone (Danish band). The others are at AFD:Two Tales of One Tomorrow and AFD:In Concert (Cornerstone album). -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:25, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. The band itself does not appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:BAND - at best, it will be redirected to the notable band member's page. Articles on top of that for the non-notable group's individual albums are unnecessary, and none of them meet WP:NALBUMS.  Gong   show  16:48, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 *  Keep (or merge LOSSLESSLY)  - Per this discussion, the album and its details should (at a minimum) be merged LOSSLESSLY into Cornerstone (Danish band) if the article is kept.  If it is deleted, the album and its details should be merged LOSSLESSLY into Doogie White. --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:33, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Reply. I have lost count of the number of recebt AFDs in which I have seen Jax commenting. In none of them have I seen him pay any attention to the basic notability criteria at WP:GNG, and he remains true to form here.
 *  Reply  - There is plenty of space in the article for track listings and album details. Therefore, now that it is on Wikipedia and properly sourced, it should not be removed so long as the artist or ensemble is notable.   If the article becomes too large, then this falls under a size split. --Jax 0677 (talk) 22:21, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Reply A size split is no grounds for creating articles on non-notable topics. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:37, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 *  Reply  - How are artist discographies/awards/song lists by themselves notable? --Jax 0677 (talk) 22:44, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Please try to stay on topic. This is not an AFD for a discography. It is an AFD for an article on a non-notable album ... one of many such articles on non-notable albums which you tendentiously create, without making any attempt to demonstrate notability. Please stop it. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:17, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Denmark-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:09, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:10, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

AFAICS, only 2 or maybe 3 of the dozens of albums articles you have created over the last few weeks come anywhere near WP:GNG. The remainder have been redirected or are heading that way at AFD. And WP:BRD does not allow you to waste other editors time by repeatedly creating articles on non-notable topics. Unless you stop, I will seek sanctions on you disruptive and tendentious editing. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:48, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
 *  Reply  I am staying on topic. WP:NALBUMS says "space permitting".  For similar reasons, albums and discographies can be split off.  IMO, a discography page should rarely/never be written about a non-notable artist, and usually is only done if the discography takes up most of the page (5FDP discography), or the artist page becomes too big (One Direction discography).  There is no encyclopedic reason for not including the track times somewhere on Wikipedia.  I have not created an article on a non-notable album in some time, even though WP:BRD allows me to do so.  In fact, the notability of some of the albums that BHG nominated is being corroborated slowly but surely. --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:20, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Per WP:MERGE, Merging should be avoided if: 1) The resulting article is too long or "clunky". Splatting an set of track listings of non-notable albums into another article serves no encyclopedic purpose if there is nothing to say about the significance of the albums other than that they existed.
 *  Reply  - I have not created an album article in the past 24-48 hours. --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:15, 30 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Doogie White, there is absolutely nothing to merge. J04n(talk page) 00:59, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
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