Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Outline of Apple Inc.


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Withdrawn by nom, no remaining opposition. joe deckertalk to me 15:41, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Outline of Apple Inc.

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I removed Apple-related so-called "outline" articles, as they served no function being EXACT repeats of the info on other main topic articles as well as info box templates clearly existing with the same info laid out identically on them too. They featuring absolutely no additional information, no new purpose, and all had the low merit template or similar on them accordingly. All the info on them was already given in exactly the same form on other main Apple-related pages, as should have ben checked before creation by checking pre-existing pages listed on the mass of Apple templates first (see here: User:Jimthing/Apple). Unless there is a clear reason for their existence —when they feature identical info found on another page on the WP— they shouldn't be created. Not all subjects need to have such "outline" pages, when other pages already exist for several years that clearly happen to already do the exact same purpose. --Jimthing (talk) 22:39, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep See WP:OUTLINES. I'll update it to make it more in-depth. Zach Vega (talk) 22:45, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Sorry you added no explanation whatsoever for this outline to be created. As said, what is the point of this page? When all the info such a page would contain appears on several other places (eg. Apple Inc. page itself). Have you seen the info boxes clearly displayed on the bottom of all Apple-related pages (see here: User:Jimthing/Apple). --Jimthing (talk) 23:12, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Your nomination counts as your delete !vote - you don't get to !vote in addition -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 23:48, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Six points:
 * Wikipedia has several navigation systems, and they are all striving to become complete. Redundancy between them is expected and encouraged, and this provides the opportunity for leapfrogging innovations.  See WP:CLN.
 * It's a work in progress, far from complete at the time it was nominated for deletion. Even the largest oak must start out as a tiny seedling. This young tree won't grow to maturity if we rip it out of the ground.
 * As a centralized structured topics list, it overviews Wikipedia's coverage of the entire subject, serving as a table of contents to it.
 * For ease of topic selection, annotations are being added so the reader can see what all the topics mean without engaging in a marathon click session to find out. This feature is not available in categories or navigation footers.
 * The layout and annotations also make the page ideal for reviewing the subject.
 * Inclusion on the Outline of knowledge gives the reader another avenue in which to find this subject. The Transhumanist 10:04, 13 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. I was going to !vote to delete, but I'd never heard of Outlines before. Having read about them now, I see no reason to delete this. It duplicates information elsewhere, but it appears that's what Outlines do - they just present it in a different way. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 23:51, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep – this is a valid outline, and a nice addition to Wikipedia's system of outlines. There are many articles about Apple on Wikipedia.  This is the best place to go if you want to find them all. Keep in mind that outlines that are not ready yet typically get moved to the Outline WikiProject's draft space where they can be further developed until they are ready.  Though this outline already covers the subject in enough depth to remain in article space.  Plus, the page has Zach Vega working on it, who is doing a great job developing and expanding it. Thank you.  The Transhumanist 00:16, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 02:19, 13 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Perfectly valid outline, useful summary presentation of encyclopedic information. Jclemens (talk) 05:39, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * SNOW Keep per WP:OUTLINES. - Jorgath (talk) (contribs) 18:20, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I withdraw my nomination. OK, as these seem to be allowed then someone can close this. I'd never heard of these "outlines" either, so they need some decent exposure including info on how they came into being on WP. Additionally, can two things be done:
 * Very many items are missing from the page under each heading — please update ASAP using the navigational boxes I have collated (here: User:Jimthing/Apple).
 * Prices: as well known, WP isn't just America ;-) — hence don't just use US$ prices, follow good practice and list more of them (a la the side drop menu here: iPad (3rd generation) sidebar). --Jimthing (talk) 20:11, 13 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep I think Transhumanist has it nailed with her/his points. The outline is a helpful navigation aid, even if redundant in some ways, and should be expanded to include the business side of things, not just the products side. Megacorps need directories exactly because they're labyrinthine. &mdash; Sctechlaw (talk) 13:12, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
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