Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Outline of basketball


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Ron Ritzman (talk) 19:21, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Outline of basketball

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Delete - article seems to be intended as a combination of the existing Basketball article and an index of every conceivable basketball-related topic. Not seeing how the existing material is not already well enough integrated through articles, text links, templates, lists and categories as to justify a separate "outline" article. A Radish for Boris (talk) 16:37, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Comment Why not put all this effort into revamping and improving the basketball portal - which badly needs it. This article seems redundant to me - what is the focus? Rikster2 (talk) 18:51, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename - There is a redlink showing for Index of basketball articles, which would be a much more descriptive name for this piece. This is not an article but rather a navigational tool, and a damned useful one, it would seem. —Carrite, Oct. 9, 2010.
 * Keep per Carrite. Wow, I'm actually agreeing with Carrite for once. Did I just fall into a parallel universe? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 19:33, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Peter Karlsen (talk) 19:36, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:33, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:34, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. This seems to be in the process of becoming a very well-made outline which will serve as a nifty guide. However, I can already tell this is going to be very USA-centric (full disclosure: I'm American) and will barely touch upon basketball outside of the country.
 * Proposed solution: Rename the article to "Outline of basketball in the United States". This will immediately narrow down the overwhelmingly large topic of basketball in general to a more manageable, and frankly accurate, title. Jrcla2 (talk) 14:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The article is only 4 days old! Please have some patience. It isn't done yet! (Note the revamp/restructuring tag).  Thank you.  The Transhumanist  05:10, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. I am fearful of the Index of basketball articles being made, because (a) it will never, ever come remotely close to being complete, (b) that's what categories are for, and (c) it will get abandoned and serve no real useful purpose in the long run. If it ever does get created, I think an AfD would be in good measure. Jrcla2 (talk) 14:52, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ - Index of basketball articles created. Indexes of popular topics get a fair amount of support.  I'd be surprised if it didn't grow.  The Transhumanist  04:30, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, as a complement to Index of basketball articles - Wikipedia has hundreds of outline-index pairs. The two types of article complement each other well because they support different styles of browsing.  Outlines are structured topic lists while indexes on Wikipedia are alphabetical topic lists. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndex&prefix=Index+of&namespace=0 ).  For the set of articles Outline of basketball belongs to, see Portal:Contents/Outlines, one of Wikipedia's content navigation subsystems.  The Transhumanist  04:45, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a branch of Wikipedia's table of contents. Are you suggesting that basketball not be covered in the table of contents?  The Transhumanist  02:31, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Way to twist words. No, I'm only suggesting that as of today there are numerous ways for WP users to start when looking at basketball as a broad topic - this article, the main basketball article, the index, the basketball portal(s), WP basketball Projects, etc.  Some thought should go into how these various structures fit together so it is cohesive.  Sometimes I think we forget that the vast majority of WP users aren't article creator/editor weenies like us, they are just people trying to find out information about things.  These types of articles should advance that, not add another "competing" place for them to start. Rikster2 (talk) 11:40, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Editors are free to choose the areas that interest them in order to develop articles.  If somebody wants to devote their energies to developing better navigation for our articles on basketball, that's great.  -- Whpq (talk) 14:08, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Rikster, AfD isn't the proper venue for determining WP-wide strategy on navigation. And Portals don't provide the same service as outlines.  Portals are collections of excerpts, and therefore have limited usefulness as navigation aids.  The Transhumanist  19:18, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Transhumanist - that is fine, but as someone very active in this topic my request to you is not to just create this outline and move on, but instead become part of the solution on the best navigation for the topic across VERY similar articles. Rikster2 (talk) 08:07, 15 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep – with a topic as big as basketball, I think some outline (as done with many of our larger topics) is likely necessary. –MuZemike 15:16, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep as a good navigation aid. -- Whpq (talk) 14:08, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.