Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ovolo Hotels


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. This discussion has received ample input, and no consensus for a particular action has emerged. North America1000 12:22, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Ovolo Hotels

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Purely promotional material. A WP:BEFORE indicates a dearth of reliable sources. The sole coverage is from blogs, zines, storefronts, and tabloids; a complete lack of depth or WP:PERSISTENCE in coverage. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NCORP. &mdash; O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  13:58, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:32, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:32, 14 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete -- A7 material while also manages to be spam. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:11, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - Not notable at all.&mdash; CycloneIsaac ( Talk ) 00:26, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Several sources were added to the article and some expansion occurred on 19 May 2017‎, which occurred after the nomination for deletion and delete !votes above. Relisting to allow time for source and article analysis.
 * Keep Not really sure about the rules here. Am I allowed to participate in the survey if I have recently edited? Anyway, although I agree there isn't strong evidence of notability, I'd like to say that it's not entirely true that Ovolo has only been covered by "blogs, zines, storefronts, and tabloids." It has received significant coverage from News Corp's broadsheet The Australian, trade news org Hospitality Net and Hong Kong thinktank and media org EJ Insight. It was also featured in a CNN trend piece on sharing economy crossover in the hotel industry. I believe there may be some potential for this article. See References for the links. — A L T E R C A R I ✍ 18:37, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:47, 22 May 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - I agree, this seems solely made for promotional purposes. There's an article on wikipedia about the owner this page links to, Girish Jhunjhnuwala, which seems like it was also created to further the promotion. Seems like it should get a deletion nomination as well. Scriblerian1 (talk) 00:55, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - I think this article should stand as a relevant entry towards WikiProject Hong Kong. The company is a notable business in the territory as referenced but I agree the content should be made more neutral akin to other hotel articles on the site like Ace Hotel or Aloft Hotels.Gamserman (talk) 02:18, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - Per nom. Not only is it not notable, the article also appears to be promotional.  XboxGamer  22408 talk to me 03:08, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. This GNews search shows that the hotel chain has been receiving persistent coverage in various travel news and business news sources which brings it past the threshold for inclusion. Deryck C. 11:55, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947(c) (m) 05:04, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.   <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Ovolo Hotels to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 04:49, 1 June 2017 (UTC)</li></ul>
 * Comment -- the coverage listed above is either routine ("Sydney's 1888 Hotel joins Ovolo Hotels") or advertorially oriented ("Ovolo Sydney gives city convenience, privacy and spectacular views"). Does not help meet WP:CORPDEPTH, IMO. K.e.coffman (talk) 18:12, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Although I agree "Sydney's 1888" doesn't constitute deep coverage of Ovolo, "Ovolo Sydney" (which you described as advertorially oriented) is not an advertorial, just positive coverage (from a noteworthy independent source, no less) which is a legitimate demonstration of significance.— <b style="color:#33FF99"> A L T E R C A R I </b> ✍ 22:45, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. The original version was somewhat promotional, but even it lacked the usual elements of a promotional  hotel article: lists of amenities, boasts about size and restaurants and visitors, praise of the beauty or convenience of the location,. . The current version is not promotional  --it's as baldly descriptive as you can get, and I''d add back the list of locations. In general, I consider most hotel chains are likely to be notable. The sources in the article are very weak, those found by Cunard are somewhat better. The one which looks like it might be good but is not is CNN--a collection of outrageously  promotional  blurbs for multiple hotels. If I thought the firm not likely to be notable, I could start challenging a few of the others. Since I think it is, I give them the benefit of the doubt.  DGG ( talk ) 05:28, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades Godric  08:51, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems to be enough RS to establish notability. Deathlibrarian (talk) 10:40, 7 June 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.