Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ovtcharka


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The result was redirect to Ovcharka. (non-admin closure) buidhe 19:08, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Ovtcharka

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Fails GNG & NOTDIC, completely unsourced article about a translation of a Russian word. Cavalryman (talk) 11:14, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Ovcharka, which disambiguates the four dog breeds that may be called by this name. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:00, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I did not see that, I would support this redirect. Cavalryman (talk) 12:13, 4 March 2020 (UTC).
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 12:06, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dogs has been notified of this discussion.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  13:00, 4 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect per Justlettersandnumbers. We certainly do not need article text like what is there presently, WP not being a Russian dictionary.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  13:00, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect: this would be more fitting in Wikitionary. As Cavalryman said, Wikipedia is not a dictionary, especially about the translation of a Russian word. Bᴇʀʀᴇʟʏ  • Talk to me∕What have I been doing 09:01, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect per JLAN, WP:NOTDIC.  William Harris Canis lupis track.svg talk Canis lupis track.svg 20:33, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect per everyone. J I P  &#124; Talk 21:24, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Proposed new strategy - given that Овчарка (Ovcharka - there is no "t" in it) means shepherd dog in Russian, let us delete this article and rename the others as shepherds under WP:USEENGLISH. Calling Justlettersandnumbers, Cavalryman, SMcCandlish, Bᴇʀʀᴇʟʏ,  J I P  for consideration.  William Harris Canis lupis track.svg talk Canis lupis track.svg 20:45, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd be against that, I think. Even if those four articles are renamed, which would be a separate discussion (I haven't even looked to see what titles they are at now), we'd still need redirects from the 'Ovcharka' names, and still need the Ovcharka dab page to help people to distinguish them. There seem to be quite enough uses of the spelling with the "t" to make it a reasonable search term. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:37, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * All English language sources I have seen discussing the various breeds use the anglicised Russian name not Shepherd, although spelling various greatly (Ovtcharka, Ovcharka, Owtcharka & Owtscharka). Given this I think we should maintain the status quo on the breed names. Cavalryman (talk) 01:55, 6 March 2020 (UTC).
 * Yeah, the WP:COMMONNAME thing can often override USEENGLISH. It's not enough that an English translation exists, it actually needs to be in dominant use in our sources. As for the other spellings, I'll make more redirects.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  02:47, 7 March 2020 (UTC) Update: Done.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  02:50, 7 March 2020 (UTC)


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