Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oxford Park, Estonia


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The result was   delete. Consensus to delete after three relistings. The Bushranger One ping only 19:58, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Oxford Park, Estonia

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A non-notable, planned housing development in Estonia currently selling off plan property. I can find no sources for this project which are not essentially their own press releases and blurbs. This article was essentially created by an IP tracing back to Estonia who over-wrote the former redirect page page to Oxford Park, Montreal in April 2011. Not surprisingly, this was about the same time the developers launched this, as yet, unbuilt project. Voceditenore (talk) 15:33, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Estonia-related deletion discussions. Voceditenore (talk) 15:42, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete - It sounds like an interesting development, but then it would, wouldn't it, cited to a press release and the developer's website! The Construction News(?) article looks good and, if anyone with a knowledge of Estonian, can find any similar coverage, I'll happily change my 'vote'. Can't find anything else online myself. Sionk (talk) 16:56, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Darn, I've changed my recommendation three times in the last 45 minutes! Northamerica1000 has found some good sources. The Estonia Public Broadcasting articles seem particularly believable. The one concern I have is that there is no confirmation (not even on the OSG website) whether the project has (or will) become reality. When I changed my vote to 'Weak keep' I hadn't fully read the most recent ERR article (Dec 2011). It actually says the OSG have fallen out with their partners but hope the project "should be completed in ten years". This does not fill me with confidence that it will ever get off the ground (after all, a housing estate can be fully built in 12-18 months). If the first sod of earth gets cut, I will be happy to see this article resurrected. Sionk (talk) 12:28, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep - This topic passes WP:GNG: Comment:
 * "Rapla County built a new village of 200 million euros." - Ehitus Uudised (Construction News). 21 March 2011.
 * UK Green Economy Lags Behind Following Launch Of Europe's Most Advanced Eco Village | Financial News
 * Major Sustainable Residential Complex to Be Built in Northern Estonia | ERR
 * Oxford Sustainable Falls Out With Realtor | ERR
 * Oxford Park Plans Europe's First Universal Filling Station | ERR
 * — Northamerica1000(talk) 01:35, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The first one is virtually word-for-word from the company's own press release . By the way, the translation of the title is inaccurate. It actually says "A new 200 million Euro village will be built in Rapla County". The second is from a website which accepts "contributed articles" and invites press releases . Unsurprisingly, the article is again virtually word-for word from their publicity materials. Ditto the first and third articles from Estonian Radio News (ERR), the only source that I would consider remotely useful for determining notability. The third ERR one explicitly acknowledges the company's press release as its source. Except for the second ERR article, all the remaining sources date from the same period when the company launched its internet marketing campaign (described here). The Wikipedia article, created at the same time is clearly a part of it.
 * So what we have here is a yet unbuilt housing development, whose "coverage" is derived from its own press releases and all concentrated between late March and early May of 2011, when they launched their marketing campaign. A brief article in December of that year notes that not a single off plan property had been sold and the company behind the project had fallen out with the real estate company. Then absolutely nothing. If this project ever really gets off the ground and starts generating real coverage, then it's time for a stand-alone article. Not now. At most, the material could be merged into Rapla County. On the other hand (and with tongue firmly in cheek), there are literally hundreds (possibly thousands) of Wikipedia articles consisting of non-notable projects and organizations advertising themselves here, so why not this one? Wikipedia, the PR Newswire that anyone can edit. Voceditenore (talk) 12:29, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Changed my !vote above to a comment at this time. Northamerica1000(talk) 08:42, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


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 * Delete. I concur with others' analysis of the sources, leaving this article as WP:CRYSTAL per lack of independent in-depth reporting. It is not obvious this thing will ever come to be (WP cannot take the sponsor of the entity at its word alone) or will have suitable references available soon, so an objective article cannot be written at this time (the basic premise for writing about a future thing). DMacks (talk) 19:31, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Not enough coverage for WP:GNG, and as an unbuilt housing development it doesn't get notability as a geographical feature/settlement. --Colapeninsula (talk) 10:36, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
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