Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oz Chiri


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The stronger, policy based, arguments are made by those arguing for deletion. Dpmuk (talk) 01:48, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Oz Chiri

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Non-notable musician Rinkle gorge (talk) 20:33, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Oz Chiri is a notable musician. He is known in several countries such as US, South America, and Europe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kj198 (talk • contribs) 01:38, 27 February 2014‎ (UTC) — Kj198 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:44, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Argentina-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:45, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:45, 27 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. No evidence of substantial coverage in reliable secondary sources. The three footnotes are to primary sources. The other "references" are primary sources (press release type material at multiple sites; in some cases, the text duplicates among multiple links). In any case, there's no significant coverage (reviews, articles about him, etc.) at reliable, unrelated sources. —C.Fred (talk) 02:50, 27 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. El musico mencionado tiene una vasta trayectoria en muchos paises latinos incluidos Argentina, Brazil, Colombia y paises en Europa Como Italia, España y otros, la informacion en la pagina es veridica.Monosaver13 (talk) 17:46, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * — Monosaver13 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep. I have been following Oz for the last 12 years in all his shows through Florida, he is well known around this area, he plays as a solo artist and with his Band Blue Embrace.Gtr frenzy (talk) 19:11, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * — Gtr frenzy (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * delete fails WP:MUSIC. sources provided are not reliable. LibStar (talk) 10:59, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. I can find no coverage in reliable sources for him or any of his listed bands, just self-promotion. A sentence describing his band "Blue Embrace" seems to be copied from their MTV.com artist profile (be aware that MTV.com artist profiles can be submitted by anybody, and so are not considered reliable or third-party). &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 18:42, 1 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. It is pathetic to see some of these so called MODERATORS the lack of expertise and educational skills to ban or to try to remove pages that are legitimate with plenty of resources available, the gentleman in question is not only notable in America but in other countries as well, a very basic research would clearly bring several third party interviews, videos, music, bios and more, sometimes moderation as displayed here is in the borderline of jealousy more than an objective point of view, and makes me wonder how many articles that would be helpful to people are being deleted by unscrupulous people like the ones posting here, few links of this gentleman works that are not posted in his article. http://uverseonline.att.net/music/artist/blue-embrace, http://music.yahoo.com/video/devil-disguise-173958503.html , http://www.voodoolab.com/artists.htm , http://www.whosdatedwho.com/sections/celebrities/last-name/Chiri 38.96.174.109 (talk) 17:39, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * None of those links are reliable sources: they're user-made a UVerse music directory page, a link to the Vevo video, a primary source, and an unreliable gossip site. —C.Fred (talk) 18:45, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * You are totally incorrect and once again poor and erroneous in your judgment, post a link where an user can create an account with at&t with vevo or with any other links posted, clearly statement from an unreliable so called moderator.38.96.174.109 (talk) 18:51, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I misread the prefix and assumed (I know, my bad) that it was a user's personal page. It is the UVerse service's profile page about the band. Still, there's no review or article there; it's just links to videos and other material generated like the band, so just like the Yahoo link to the video, it is not a reliable, secondary source giving significant independent coverage of the band. —C.Fred (talk) 18:59, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment: The first two links are just blogs reposting a music video posted on Vevo, which proves nothing other than that he made a video. The third is a list of musicians who've bought equipment from a manufacturer. The fourth is "Who Dated Who", which says right on it "Who's Dated Who? content is contributed and edited by our readers. You are most welcome to update, correct or add information to this page"; user-editable content is explicitly not considered a reliable source (yes, that includes Wikipedia articles). Instead of accusing editors of US bias and "jealousy" (seriously?), you'd be better off reading the guidelines on WP:Reliable sources and looking for things that fit the definition. &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 19:02, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment: Once again incorrect, there is no profiles in ATT&T and or VEVO, no artist can open a page neither in those places, not reliable YAHOO MUSIC? once again sir with all my respect you should try to moderate other than music, your lack of knowledge in this field is evident. here is another link from MTV ITALY and if i keep researching more valid links, also for your KNOWLEDGE the person named here is also the founder of that band, http://testicanzoni.mtv.it/testi-Blue-Embrace_14332106/testo-Devil-in-Disguise_19118927, ONCE AGAIN WITH ALL RESPECT KEEP YOUR DAILY ACCOUNTING JOB YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE IS INSULTING38.96.174.109 (talk) 19:09, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: I never said anything about profiles in AT&T or Vevo. I'm not sure where you're getting that from. I said that a video on Vevo was the only content on the uverse.att.net and music.yahoo.com links you posted, which is true. And yes, Yahoo Music is not necessarily reliable: the byline on that link shows it was posted by Tarot Records International, which is Mr. Chiri's record label. The MTV Italy link you just posted is just song lyrics. We are looking for things written about the subject in reliable sources. As far as referring to "moderators" goes, I am not moderating this discussion and neither is anybody else who has posted in it. We are participating, which any user can do. Moderation only comes into play when an admin closes the discussion after about a week and makes a determination of consensus based on the arguments. I suggest reading WP:Deletion policy and WP:Articles for Deletion to get a better idea of how this works, and WP:MUSICBIO for what would be required to keep this article. It'll save you some frustration. &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 17:58, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. I have been following this article for few days and analyzing all the comments posted, I am a Canadian Researcher that has been related to the music business for more than 35 years and also I have DONATED SEVERAL HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS to Wikipedia because of the quality of some of their articles, Seeing the arbitration in this article and several wrong facts such as the comment from the user above me Stating the The Recording label submitted the video to yahoo or any other network, let me explain that Recording labels DO NOT SUBMIT MUSIC TO YAHOO, GOOGLE OR AOL, Tarot Records International is the label and it is posted by the network to let people know who has the rights and who legally released the music, Example: MTV airs a video in which at the start and ending displays the label, song name and Artist name, THAT IS INFORMATIONAL AND UNDER ANY WAY SUBMITTED BY ARTIST AND OR PRODUCER. Wikipedia is currently under scrutiny by several researchers as their loosing the informational value once had, due to users or administrators flagging or posting erroneous statements, I have seen erroneous comments like artists reflected in manufactures pages because they buy equipment from them, THAT IS A VERY POOR AND EXTREMELY INCORRECT STATEMENT, MANUFACTURERS POST ARTISTS IN THEIR PAGES AS A MARKETING TOOL OF THEIR PRODUCTS, OTHERWISE GUITAR CENTER OR OTHER COMPANIES WOULD HAVE MILLIONS OF MUSICIANS POSTED IN THEIR PAGE JUST FOR THE FACT OF PURCHASING THEIR PRODUCTS. Once again I WILL KEEP DONATING TO WIKIPEDIA BUT HONESTLY COMMENTS AND OR POOR JUDGMENTS LIKE THESE USERS MAKE ME DOUBT ABOUT THE VALIDITY OF THE PEOPLE HELPING OUT WIKIPEDIA. The person mentioned in this article DOES NOT OWN THE RECORDING LABEL AND WAS ONCE APPOINTED AS CEO and that even if that statement was true SHOULD NOT INVALIDATE THE RIGHT TO HAS HIS ARTICLE POSTED, OTHERWISE PEOPLE LIKE FRED DURST WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE HERE SINCE HE WORKED FOR CAPITOL RECORDS WHEN HIS BAND RELEASED ALL THE ALBUMS, Lastly there is bibliography offline as well about this musician and in my HUMBLE opinion (something that is not used by several people commenting here) this article should be kept, I apologize for the incorrections in my writing since I am a native French Speaker. 38.96.174.115 (talk) 19:53, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: Are you aware that you have placed two keep !votes in this discussion? Your first being on March 3 at 17:39, and your second being March 5 at 19:53. You should consider condensing your arguments and votes into one comment so that your points can be more clearly considered by a reviewing administrator.Rinkle gorge (talk) 15:35, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: I think the preceding comment about me being canvassed to this discussion was placed in bad faith. Not only have I made over 1,000 edits, but I initiated the AfD, therefor making it impossible for me to have canvassed myself. Rinkle gorge (talk) 16:59, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree, and that's why I removed the SPA and canvassing tags that 38.96.174.115 placed. It's not the only bad-faith SPA tag the user has placed.
 * Rinkle gorge (talk) 00:49, 7 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment: Your statement about my post and comment was posted in bad faith from you, without any tangible proof, therefore my assumption about YOUR bad faith is EVIDENT and in GOOD faith.38.96.174.115 (talk) 17:26, 6 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment: Excuse me!!? Where is my other vote? how are you able to prove your statement?, I voted yesterday once, but I can see you are the one who started this deletion request, trying to diminish my vote and statement with such a bastard accusation that is not true SHOWS CLEARLY THE LEVEL OF YOUR EDITION AND HELP TO THIS WIKI.38.96.174.115 (talk) 16:12, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: here and here. The page history is public. I figured you just didn't realize that wasn't allowed, since you seem to be inexperienced with AfD, but after you tried to add an SPA warning and a a canvassing warning to Rinkle gorge despite the fact that he has an extensive edit history and posted this AfD in the first place, and looking in the edit history I see you've attempted to delete opposing arguments , I am a lot less inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt. Disrupting the debate does not help your case at all. Cut it out. &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 17:28, 6 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment: Me disrupting this debate? another statement without proof from a SO CALLED EDITOR THAT NOT ONLY POST WRONG INFORMATION WITHOUT ANY KIND OF BACKGROUND IN THIS AREA, keep working in your WWE area that is probably the ONLY area you are reliable, YOU NEED TO CUT IT OUT!.38.96.174.115 (talk) 17:32, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: I linked the evidence in my post above. The page history doesn't lie. Look, I tried to help you out by linking you to information on how the AfD process works and what you'd have to show to demonstrate that this article's topic merits an article according to Wikipedia policy. You are interested in the subject, and you say you're a researcher, so it shouldn't be difficult for you to find sources supporting your position if they exist. Instead, you've insulted other editors, deleted their arguments, and falsely accused them of canvassing and of being SPAs. Anyone can verify this by looking at the page history. That's what the "view history" tab up at the top of the page is for. It is clear that you are more interested in lashing out at people you've decided are your enemies than in actually justifying this article's presence here. &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 00:32, 7 March 2014 (UTC)


 * ''Comment:' This is my last reply about this issue, at the top of this page CLEARLY STATES THAT EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO POST OPINIONS, ONCE AGAIN PLEASE POINT WERE I HAVE "INSULTED" OTHER EDITORS? WHAT I CAN SEE IS THE FEEL OF "CAMARADERIE BETWEEN EDITORS" THAT IS HIGHLY STRANGE, ALL THE STATEMENTS POSTED BY YOU AND THE OTHER EDITORS THAT ARE SUPPORTING EACH OTHER ARE NOT FACTS, THIS ARTICLE HAS BEEN FOR OVER 2 YEARS AND I FIND HIGHLY STRANGE THAT SUDDENLY 3 EDITORS THAT ARE IN CONSTANT CONNECTION EACH OTHER ARE TRYING TO HAVE THIS ARTICLE DOWN WITH FALSE STATEMENTS AS YOURS IN YOUR FIRST AND SECOND COMMENT, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF BACKGROUND DO YOU HAVE OR POSSES AS WELL AS THE OTHERS EDITORS HAVE TO KEEP DENYING MY ARGUMENTS, SINCE ALL YOUR COMMENTS ARE WRONG, ONCE AGAIN AS A MONETARY SUPPORTER OF WIKIPEDIA I HAVE MY RIGHT TO COMPLAINT ABOUT YOUR STATEMENTS AND THE OTHER EDITORS, AS WELL AS YOUR IRONY STATING THAN THIS "IS" MY ARTICLE, YOU CHANGED THAT TERM TO "THIS" BUT I DO HAVE THE SCREEN CAPTURE AS LAST NIGHT WITH THE WORD "YOURS", THAT IS AN EASY WAY TO TRY TO HAVE MY OPINION TO BE NON CONSIDERED, ONCE AGAIN I STAND IN MY OPINION, IT IS SAD TO SEE THIS WEBSITE BEING "CAPTURED" FOR EDITORS THAT HAVE NON RELIABILITY IN SOME SUBJECTS. IF MY STATEMENT CONSTITUTES AN INSULT TO YOU OR ANYBODY ELSE IT IS THE WAY YOU FEEL AND NOT NECESSARILY MY INTENTION, AS FAR AS I KNOW INTERNET AND WIKIPEDIA IS A PLACE TO HAVE A FREE OPINION OR AT LEAST I THOUGHT I HAD IT BEFORE STARTING COMMENTING IN THIS TOPIC. LASTLY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW MANY EDITORS CONTRIBUTED AS ME WITH MONEY TO MAINTAIN THIS PLACE, AND I FEEL INSULTED NOT BEING TREATED AND MY OPINIONS CONSIDERED AS THEY SHOULD (WITH FACTS). 38.96.174.115 (talk) 21:06, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
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