Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ozi Amanat (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete the comments with the most basis in policy and analysis of sourcing were on the side of deletion here. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:40, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Ozi Amanat
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Struggling to find independent in-depth coverage in reliable sources - lack of WP:SIGCOV. References provided are either mentions-in-passing or rely almost exclusively on company produced material and/or quotations. Run-of-the-mill businessman. The companies he works for might be notable, but he is not. Promotional article, created by a WP:SPA. Deleted in 2010, Articles for deletion/Ozi Amanat. Edwardx (talk) 15:31, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete not enough indepth coverage to show notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:28, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Happy New Year!!! Baby miss  fortune 03:23, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. Happy New Year!!! Baby miss  fortune 03:23, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Singapore-related deletion discussions. Happy New Year!!! Baby miss  fortune 03:23, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Keep: The subject is a multi-millionaire, and founder of K2 VC and K2 Global, a 250$ million dollar company, And serving as Chief Investment Officer for 2 billion dollar company Spice Global. Notability clearly asserted in text and supported by ample sources. Indeed, it clearly passes Wikipedia General Notability Guidelines. A quick source check shows several more Google news sources.

Alos, considering him a notable investor, who has invested in several renowned and notable companies including Facebook, Twitter, Uber, Spotify, Alibaba, Palantir, Airbnb, Twilio, Magic Leap and Paytm, I tend to keep.

However, article may need NPOVing. Instead of deletion, FIXing the problem is more better.--223.180.28.98 (talk) 07:15, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment there are obvious content problems. Simply being wealthy is not a notability guideline (though at a certain point coverage such as Forbes' The World's Billionaires will make a person notable).  More of the coverage is about K2 Global than about Ozi himself (and what's with the mononym?) power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 17:29, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  A  Train talk 20:10, 5 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - Nearly all articles provided as "references" are about the investment company, not Amanat, and only mention him briefly as the founder. As an example, from the article's Straits Times reference: And the Yahoo Finance reference:  That's the only mention of him in those sources. These articles aren't about Amanat, and notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. Simply being the head of an investment firm, or on the board of a notable company, is not enough to establish encyclopedic notability. Being a "multi-millionaire" is too WP:RUNOFTHEMILL these days to bestow notability; he's not getting coverage dedicated to him for his wealth. Nothing here supports notability for this individual. At best the articles provided justify mentioning him on the investment firm's article--not giving this person their own WP:BLP. Shelbystripes (talk) 20:52, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep There are enough sources to meet WP:GNG, AfD is WP:NOTCLEANUP SeraphWiki (talk) 04:32, 6 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete as it seems the individual himself is not notable. He himself did not do any investments, but rather the company he was part of did it. So this means, the achievements are that of the company, not this guy himself as per WP:NOTINHERITED. Media reports quote him as an executive of the company or as Chief Investment Officer, but they do not say that these were his own personal achievements. In any case, simply doing a bunch of investments and being a millionaire is nothing notable anyway. So delete.--DreamLinker (talk) 05:27, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment I would have appreciated if you read the article carefully and would have checked the facts before voting/commenting in AFD. The subject is the founder/owner of the two VC firm, that is K2 VC and K2 Global. He is also a chief investment officer (CIO) of B. K. Modi's Spice Global. The chief investment officer is a job title for the board level head of investments within an organization. It clearly makes the subject pass general notability guidelines. Apart from this, he is an independent director of the e-commerce company YuuZoo. (It is not mentioned in the Wiki article, I found it while researching on Google, ref. here) Also, the subject is the recipient of the Young Peacemaker Award and was nominated for CIO of the Year by the Family Office Review. Considering all these facts, I believe, an individual notability has been clearly established. There many refs. I found during research, which can be added to the article, but it's not there. Try to fix problems. deletion is not the solution.  --223.180.18.201 (talk) 16:29, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - Being a CIO of a company does not, by itself, "clearly [make] the subject pass general notability guidelines" as you suggest. There are many past and present CIOs of even larger companies who don't pass WP:GNG or warrant a WP:BLP. I don't think being "nominated" for some CIO of the year award counts either. Generally speaking, in categories of BLPs with established guidelines, it's the winning a notable award that establishes notability. And I've never heard of "Family Office Review" and don't know why it's considered a notable awards ceremony for corporate officials. You'll need to back that up if it's the reason you're asserting notability. We just don't/shouldn't do BLPs on every moderately successful investor, and individuals who run investment firms inherently end up as officers or directors of some companies they've invested in as part of their job duties, so that can't be enough to make one of them notable. Shelbystripes (talk) 16:46, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Reply to 223.180.18.201 I did read about the subject's involvement in K2 VC/K2 Global. While they may be 2 companies on paper, they seem to be essentially the same (based on reports about their investments). Being members of founding teams of multiple companies is nothing notable. It should be noted that he is not the only one involved. There are others involved as well. So any achievements of the VC firms are of the firms as a whole, not of the individual. As for independent director, many companies appoint a person from an investing firm to their boards, which is nothing notable. Even the link you cited reads like a routine press release in a non-notable VC focused publication. The awards are one of the many run-of-them-mill-awards in this field. There is neither enough individual achievement nor enough WP:NOTINHERITED independent coverage to justify an article.--DreamLinker (talk) 17:01, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  00:57, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete coverage isn't about him. FloridaArmy (talk) 02:43, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete The references are not about him or only mention his name in association with K2 VC. Being part of a losing bid for Forbes does not add notability. I am a multi-millionaire and a company starter and investor in some of those companies and I am sure none of that makes me notable. David notMD (talk) 22:25, 15 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep I agree with the points made above. I do believe the article meets the criteria of notability. The article can be improved by adding more ref. Deletion is not the solution. --106.209.236.196 (talk) 17:10, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge to K2 Global, which is what most of the coverage is about. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  00:39, 20 January 2018 (UTC)


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