Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/P·A·L


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The sense of the discussion is that there is scant notability here. Neither the GNG or WP:N(Music) appear to be satisfied. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  22:53, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

P·A·L

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I can't find any sources that would make this project/band/musicbio? notable. The name makes it hard to find sources, but I was still unsuccessful. Nominating this as well as all of the albums in Category:P·A·L albums. Tavix | Talk 18:33, 5 June 2015 (UTC) A few notes:
 * After-hour Sounds was deleted by PROD in 2011 by
 * Some of the albums were redirected to P·A·L in August 2012 by . They are:
 * Plugged/Live
 * Initiation (P·A·L album)
 * Sacred Women
 * Reel (album)
 * Remote (P·A·L album)
 * Play at 2:00 A.M.
 * Modus (P·A·L album)


 * The remaining albums are still articles, which is what I am nominating, and they are:
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:40, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
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 * Redirect all the albums to the main band page, but keep that page. I believe they pass WP:BAND#5 by having multiple releases on a notable independent record label. Due to the difficulty of searching for the name, I think that would be a fair compromise to give time to find sources, and maybe revisit this a few months later. —Torchiest talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 15:35, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * At any rate, it would still need to meet WP:GNG, so there needs to be some sourcing added before we talk about keeping the band. "Give time to find sources" seems odd to me, because this article has been around unsourced for ten years. I don't think "a few months" would make much difference. I also disagree on it meeting criteria #5 as I don't think Ant-Zen is one of the more prominent indie labels. That label has questionable notability and the article doesn't cite any sources... We could be looking at a WP:Walled garden here, so it might be a good idea to check out the other bands on this label. Tavix | Talk 17:12, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Ant-Zen is a real label, but pretty small. Most notable artist is Black Lung, aka Snog (band). Certainly not notable enough to confer notability on all artists, however - David Gerard (talk) 13:21, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete non-notable music project, no sources, fails WP:BAND #5, Hymen Records is an independent label founded in 1997, but tell me Who among their artists is notable? All blue-linked artists at Ant-Zen are unsourced articles. Also delete all the records, it's definitely a WP:Walled garden. Kraxler (talk) 17:25, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:25, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete: I have to agree with Kraxler. I went to the label website, and my first thought was, "Oh, cool!" Then I went to AllMusic and listened to samples of the few bands that actually had track listings, and this is non-commercial music -- often experimental -- very interesting, but very, very indie. Not quite Temporary Residence. Consequently, none of the albums are going to pass, and the band is not going to pass. (I love the weird, but the standards only favor the hits.) Hithladaeus (talk) 14:40, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * AllMusic's page for the band http://www.allmusic.com/artist/pal-mn0000049069 (say the name of the band's first "music label" aloud) indicates a seriously low likelihood of commercial success. Hithladaeus (talk) 14:43, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, per above - David Gerard (talk) 18:06, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. Songs like «Gelöbnis» with Samples of GDR history are extremely well-known club hits in german Dark culture and Industrial music scene. Yes, they are not as big as The Rolling Stones and they are Indie and - this is a big problem - they have a difficult name (Pal, PAL, P.A.L., P·A·L, P•A•L etc), but they have appearences at the biggest Dark Wave Festivals, like Wave Gotik Treffen. I think, you have to think about your music band criteria interpretation...--176.0.105.114 (talk) 16:01, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * If you have reasonable-quality sources for an article, please add them and I'll happily change to "keep". Don't even have to be in English - David Gerard (talk) 16:05, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment I took a look at the interwiki links. The article in the German Wikipedia cites 3 sources, which seem to be the same 3 sources as the English version - these simply establish that this band performed at various concerts and festivals. The French version cites no sources, but links to the band's website via an external link.  The Italian version likewise cites no sources, but has external links to the band's webpage, myspace page, and Discogs page. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 20:58, 22 June 2015 (UTC)


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