Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pál Sümegi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Cirt (talk) 20:09, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Pál Sümegi

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Procedural - I declined a PROD on this one, since Gscholar turned up decent citation counts. I know nothing about archaeology and read no Hungarian however, so I refer here for further discussion Ray  Talk 00:02, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
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 * Delete and moveAdd his name and the sentance of why he's notable with citation to List of Hungarians. It will remain redlinked and keep its one sentance long article structure and two references and the redlink might prompt someone to actually create a real article. Nefariousski (talk) 02:09, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  00:39, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Note: The Hungarian article says he is a doctor of the Hungarian Academy of Science, docent in a Hungarian university, has written 8 books, chapters in 37 books, many articles in periodicals and has 260 "scientific announcements" (eerr.. I don't know this is the proper name of them in English) Their summarized impact factor is 22.000. He has got many scholarships and two prizes. The sad thing is: I don't know this all made him notable, or not according to the enwiki rules. --Perfectmiss (talk) 15:00, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I do not agree with the deletion. Notability and fame are not the same. His notability is supported by the above-written references. Earning fame in geoarcheology as in many other auxiliary sciences of archaeology or historiograpy (heraldics, faleristics, sfragistics) is practically impossible unless someone starts a National Geography TV carrier on some popular issue such as "How to dig out the Holy Grail?" My personal opinion is that we can find easier notable historians among 'unknown' researchers than among famous essayists compiling 1000 page best-sllers by up-grading commonplaces on popular issues. Rokarudi--Rokarudi 17:33, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Lots of notable books authored, member of prestigous academic society. Widely cited.  Why are we nominating these sorts of things?!  LotLE × talk  22:33, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The brevity of the article, I suspect. Not that this is a bad reason to delete an article; this one says, in total, "Pál Sümegi (born May 11, 1960 in Tapolca) is a Hungarian geoarchaeologist at the University of Szeged." As such, it could be deleted under A7. If people can be bothered to tell us what somebody is noted for, why have an article, right? Abductive  (reasoning) 09:44, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
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