Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pär Öberg


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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 14:41, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Pär Öberg

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Minor politician in small town. Fails WP:POLITICIAN. red dogsix (talk) 20:32, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep - Here the key is his council seat. That is notable per WP:GNG. Article needs improvements and possible expansion, but that is not a reason for deletion and AfD is not a clean-up service. Also Ludvika can not be described as a "small town" it has about 15,000 citizens and has city status. BabbaQ (talk) 01:55, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - I suggest you read WP:POLITICIAN' because clearly you do not understand its requirements. The requirements in item 1 state, "Politicians and judges who have held international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office, and members or former members of a national, state or provincial legislature."  A council seat does not fall into any of these categories.  BTW-15,000 is a small town.  WP:GNG, not even close.   red dogsix (talk) 02:39, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

*Keep - "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage" (PG, NRK, Aftonbladet, etc) Spikegray (talk) 04:35, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Please provide evidence of either. red dogsix (talk) 04:56, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * There's a link at the top of the page under "Sources" called "News". If you click on that link you will see he has articles written about him in the publications I've mentioned. Spikegray (talk) 02:48, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: Spikegray has been blocked as a sock that was created to violate Wikipedia policy. Bishonen &#124; talk 13:02, 26 December 2017 (UTC).


 * Delete - WP:GNG says nothing about council seats, the applicable policy is WP:POLITICIAN which shows us that holders of minor political office such as a seat on the municipal council are not notable based on that. No other claim to notability, and GNG is not met as there is not significant press coverage about him. I can find one or two articles in local papers about him being charged with hate speech, or being excluded from the local union, but that doesn't mean he meets GNG. The articles in Göteborgs-Posten and Expressen (which are larger/nationwide papers) are not about Öberg, they just mention his name. --bonadea contributions talk 12:40, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Some mentions, but not enough. Some media attention with Öberg as primary subject when NRM got a municipal council seat and again when Öberg was expelled from the electritians' union, but not enough for WP:GNG. The municipal council seat doesn't give notability. Sjö (talk) 11:25, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - Being one of the leading figures of a major political movement in Northern Europe, Pär Öberg is notable enough for a Wiki article. GaiusoftheJulii (talk) 16:35, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Please prove your claims. Just saying so is not proof.  Please demonstrate how the individual meets Wikipedia notability.  red <b style="color:#000;">dog</b><i style="color:#000;">six</i> (talk) 17:43, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Gaius, I fixed your indents below, hope you don't mind. Please prove that Nazism is "a major political movement in Northern Europe". Your own long list of sources, which all AFAICS *execrate* NRM, prove on the contrary that it's an abhorred fringe movement except in Bizarro world. When the national coordinator against violent extremism expresses concerns that your leaders have access to firearms, you list that as a reference. You list complaints about NRM and Per Öberg stealing a seat in Ludvika through a coup as proof that he's notable. Etc. Is there a reference talking about a "major political movement in Northern Europe"? No. You're the first person I've seen call Nazism that. You do realize that Wikipedia is not for Nazi propaganda, don't you? (PS, it wasn't a good idea to use "reflist" at AfD — please use direct http links as for instance in this listing — but now that it's here, please, people who add comments, let the reflist code stay at the bottom of the page. The list it generates is so long that readers won't realize there are more comments below it — I know I didn't.) Bishonen &#124; talk 09:46, 26 December 2017 (UTC).
 * 1. He and the organization he's a leading figure in have been mentioned in (and have been the main subject of) enough news articles to be considered notable.
 * 2. NRK (Norway's biggest news channel) made a documentary about his organization, in which he appeared several times.
 * 3. He is spoken about on national television (along with other figures within the NRM)
 * 4. The place he holds a seat in has city-status. It's not a "small town".
 * GaiusoftheJulii (talk) 21:10, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Notability isn't inherited (WP:NOTINHERITED) which means that members of a notable organisation aren't automatically notable themselves. As for the references, only in the Sveriges Radio link is Öberg the main subject, the other links focus on the organisation or NRM's actions. Also, the four Allehanda links are just rehashes of one and the same intervju with Öberg (about the NRM, not about himself). And the seat in the municipality council doesn't mean he's notable, no matter how big the municipality is (but anyway, Ludvika's population is well below the average in Sweden and there is no official city-status in Sweden). Sjö (talk) 09:50, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Notability is not inherited? He has a council seat which is notable. Sources are there that confirms what is in thr article. You are wrong here.BabbaQ (talk) 13:08, 28 December 2017 (UTC)


 * I'll say it again, you need to read WP:POLITICIAN because clearly you do not understand its requirements - a council seat does not meet the requirements of WP:POLITICIAN and no, notability is NOT inherited.  red <b style="color:#000;">dog</b><i style="color:#000;">six</i> (talk) 13:15, 28 December 2017 (UTC)


 * But you claim that the seat is not notable, still you refer to NOTINHERITED. What is there to inherit if the seat is completely non-notable? This person is a known figure within politics, perhaps for the wrong reason,i.e nazism). But still WP:GNG. AfD is not a clean-up service either.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:34, 28 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment - The reference to WP:NOTINHERITED refers to associated organizations, not the council seat. It is oblivious you do not understand WP:POLITICIAN, the seat does not meet the standards of WP:POLITICIAN - if you feel I am wrong, please point out which specific statement in WP:POLITICIAN indicates that - just saying so does not make it so.  I don't know what you mean by "AfD is not a clean-up service either." An AFD is a manner in which to remove articles that do not meet Wikipedia standards for inclusion - clearly this is such an article.   red <b style="color:#000;">dog</b><i style="color:#000;">six</i> (talk) 15:28, 28 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete -- a seat on a municipal council does not meet WP:NPOL, and there's nothing better. Coverage is in passing or routine. Name can be redirected to NRM, as is typically done with such minor groups. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:37, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Well then there's a little bit of a paradox, isn't there? It's notable as per WP:GNG. GaiusoftheJulii (talk) 06:18, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * NRM is notable per GNG, yes. (I assume that's what you mean by "it"). That's not under discussion here. Where is the paradox? --bonadea contributions talk 10:30, 27 December 2017 (UTC)


 * His council place is notable. And make him a figure in Swedish politics. He has a seat in a city size constituate. BabbaQ (talk) 13:06, 28 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment - It is oblivious you do not understand WP:POLITICIAN, the seat does not meet the standards of WP:POLITICIAN - if you feel I am wrong, please point out which specific statement in WP:POLITICIAN indicates that - just saying so does not make it so. red <b style="color:#000;">dog</b><i style="color:#000;">six</i> (talk) 22:13, 28 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete he was on the council of a place with under 15,000 people. Even the mayors of such places are well below notability level, council members even more so, and other sources go nowhere in establishing him as at all notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:11, 29 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. Fails WP:POLITICIAN. A few news stories in local (allehanda.se) and free (metro.se) newspapers does not make one notable. Appearing "several times" in a documentary that is not about you does not make one notable. Being on a municipal council of a place with fewer than 15,000 residents absolutely does not make one notable whether it calls itself a city of not. (WP:POLOUTCOMES has this to say about members of city councils: City councillors and other major municipal officers are not automatically notable, although precedent has tended to favor keeping members of the main citywide government of internationally famous metropolitan areas such as Toronto, Chicago, Tokyo, or London. Ludvika is obviously not an "internationally famous metropolitan area" whether one calls it a city or not.) Egsan Bacon (talk) 09:15, 31 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and Egsan Bacon. Ifnord (talk) 14:10, 31 December 2017 (UTC)


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