Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pärnu Noorte Puhkpilliorkester


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 02:31, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Pärnu Noorte Puhkpilliorkester

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The article was nominated for speedy deletion, but contested. The importance of the awards (for the conductor and the Golden Diploma) need to be investigated before this is deleted, taking into account that Estonian orchestras are probably not oft-mentioned in English language sources. So looking for Estonian sources is needed. Mgm|(talk) 11:30, 27 October 2008 (UTC) 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:09, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. This is not the proper for venue for cleanup, but the article does not meet WP:BIO or WP:MUSIC so bye-bye.  JBsupreme (talk) 00:32, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm merely listing this here as a procedural thing. I don't think this should be deleted, but I could see (at the time) where the nominator was coming from. - Mgm|(talk) 12:58, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep. The article on the Estonian Wikipedia links several articles as references, including this, this, and this. While I cannot read Estonian, nor can I vouch for what they say, at least we have sources to work with. Better to play it safe to keep and improve than to delete and regret. D ARTH P ANDA duel 02:32, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * While I can appreciate the angle you're coming from, I'm concerned this is no better than a reverse WP:BIAS -- how do we know those links adhere to our guidelines for reliable sources ? JBsupreme (talk) 07:07, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * We could ask a reliable Estonian Wikipedian. - Mgm|(talk) 12:58, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've left a note for Marty Rockatansky, asking for translation help. Nyttend (talk) 15:29, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * As far as the sources go they seem to be reliable, first is their official site, second is Estonian Wind Music Society's saying that they took a 5th place at EST-NOK 2005 and the third is from one of the Estonian newspapers noting that the conductor Vendla received an award from the city of Parnu for his work as a conductor and used the prize money to buy a new trailer for his orchestra for carrying instruments. I dont know anything about the subject and have no idea how notable this band is.Marty Rockatansky (talk)
 * Comment. My vote hinges on these sources being reliable and accurate, and until they are deemed to be, feel free to ignore my vote. It's a WEAK vote for a reason. D ARTH P ANDA duel 18:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Estonia-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:52, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,   Sandstein   21:14, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete possibly not if it had been 1st place rather than 5th. But this is only a youth orchestra, after all, & 5th place among such in does not count for very much, nor does the conductor have any national level awards of his own. DGG (talk) 00:35, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


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