Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/P. K. Firos


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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 09:13, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

P. K. Firos

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A non notable poltician who was the member of the state committe of the students wing of a party. No evidence of notability and Fails GNG Kichu🐘 Discuss 16:13, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete. As always, being a member of a political party's youth chapter is not an automatic free pass over WP:NPOL, and this article is not sourced remotely close to well enough to get him over WP:GNG for it. Bearcat (talk) 23:12, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * delete per Bearcat. —usernamekiran (talk) 12:28, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable even if he is the member of a political party's youth chapter. Ambrosiawater (talk) 19:19, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:GNG, and WP:POLITICIAN. TheWikiholic (talk) 10:40, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - the position as the leader of the Muslim Youth League is notable in Kerala politics, and from a quick search P.K Firos (with alt. spellings) appear sufficiently notable: https://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/kerala/misappropriation-of-kathua-unnao-fund-youth-league-s-pk-firoz-faces-allegation-1.5405712, https://malayalam.samayam.com/latest-news/kerala-news/youth-league-leader-pk-firos-comment-on-kathua-fund-scam-case-against-him/articleshow/81058007.cms , https://www.onmanorama.com/kerala/top-news/2021/02/17/iuml-kathua-rape-case-fund-missing-muslim-youth-league-firos.html , https://www.thecue.in/kerala-news/2020/08/16/bangalore-riots-pk-firos-against-sdpi , https://keralakaumudi.com/en/news/news.php?id=225355&u=parliament-attack-happened-when-kargil-coffin-scam-had-kicked-up-storm-pk-firos-225355 , https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/current-affairs/080219/pk-firoz-forged-my-letter-alleges-james-mathew.html , https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/firos-accuses-pinarayi-of-misleading-assembly/article25665920.ece, https://malayalam.oneindia.com/news/kerala/muslim-league-kathva-fund-racing-controversy-inl-demand-enquiry-278876.html , https://keralakaumudi.com/news/news.php?id=484458 , https://www.asianetnews.com/news/will-ask-cm-to-inquire-on-allegation-against-p-k-firose-says-minister-a-c-moideen-pmlxbz , https://www.asianetnews.com/kerala-news/defamatory-news-pk-ferozs-lawyer-issues-notice-to-kairali-and-deshabhimani-qo0kuv , https://malayalam.samayam.com/latest-news/kerala-news/clash-in-youth-league-over-money-collected-for-the-families-of-katwa-unnao-victims/articleshow/80650424.cms , https://www.madhyamam.com/kerala/firos-commentes-on-police-case-769878 , https://www.mathrubhumi.com/news/kerala/muslim-league-leader-filed-a-complaint-under-118a-1.5228214, https://www.chandrikadaily.com/pk-firos-against-pinarayi.html , https://www.manoramanews.com/news/kerala/2021/02/05/pk-firos-comes-up-with-account-challenge-aganist-kt-jaleel.html , see all the list of articles at https://malayalam.oneindia.com/topic/%E0%B4%AA%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%86-%E0%B4%AB%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%B1%E0%B5%8B%E0%B4%B8%E0%B5%8D or at https://www.asianetnews.com/topic/%E0%B4%AA%E0%B4%BF-%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%86-%E0%B4%AB%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%B1%E0%B5%8B%E0%B4%B8%E0%B5%8D . Video news coverage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQTsrA97pvI , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOfif7AnuBs , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC4DcNK68mo , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO1jGT0XJ_M , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9XF2oHd-uw, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfxEWBQuN9Q , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v45dkorTmss , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6WIYckqoMg , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FD95PRz9qI , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8xQ7xOwblA --Soman (talk) 00:46, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep (edit conflict) It's a valid point that being a party youth-leader is not per se notable, but being a state-section youth leader of a party with significant support contributes towards notability; IUML is a party with not insignificant support in Kerala and Tamil Nadu. RS coverage over multiple years: 2018, 2019,   2020.    Subject of 2021 dispute over misappropriation of funds.  Passes the GNG.


 * There appears to be a lack of BEFORE here and a conflation of content with notability; AfD is not cleanup. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 01:10, 10 March 2021 (UTC)


 * addendum: it is a precedent that if a politician doesnt pass WP:NPOL, then they have to pass gemeral notability cirteria with high standards. If a person has state or national level party designation, they obviously would get coverage. Hence they need sustained, and in-depth coverage. I stand by my delete arguement above. —usernamekiran (talk) 11:01, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , the links and I have provided suffices for WP:GNG. From a simple reading it's clear that the subject is a notable personality in Kerala politics. --Soman (talk) 18:52, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , the sources provided here is a case of WP:REFBOMB. None of the sources are giving enough coverage about the person in depth. Most of them are just mentions about him or any controversy he has been involved with. Kichu🐘 Discuss</i> 19:00, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but WP:REFBOMB refers to the use of reference in article mainspace. It does not apply in deletion discussions. We could go through link by link and explain why they qualify as indicators of notability. Or you could perform a WP:BEFORE process prior to nominating AfD. --Soman (talk) 19:28, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NPOL. We have consistently deleted the presidents of youth leagues and young party-publicans, unless they get elected to an actual office. There are few clearer precedents, and consensus is unlikely to change. Bearian (talk) 23:32, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: Whatever the outcomes of those previous discussions, and if memory serves me correctly I've previously !voted delete in *some* cases of state-level party office holders, they are irrelevant when there is clear RS which establishes notability satisfying the GNG. Your statement misconstrues WP:POLOUTCOMES by implying that failing NPOL would trump passing the GNG, which has no community consensus whatsoever: Leaders of major sub-national (state, province, prefecture, etc.) parties are usually deleted unless notability can be demonstrated for other reasons (emphasis added). Regards,--Goldsztajn (talk) 04:44, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Jupitus Smart  05:23, 15 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete : Fails WP:NPOL. And the sources provided doesnot give significant coverage about him thus failing WP:GNG also. Poppi fied  <i style="color:skyblue">talk</i> 13:59, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Current sources fails in passing GNG and NPOL. Setreis (talk) 16:56, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails NPOL. --RaviC (talk) 23:55, 17 March 2021 (UTC)


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