Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PEN/ESPN Lifetime Achievement Award for Literary Sports Writing


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:43, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

PEN/ESPN Lifetime Achievement Award for Literary Sports Writing

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Literary award that's been awarded once, pays only a small amount of money and appears to be covered by exactly one sentence of WP:ROUTINE coverage in independent reliable sources. Trawling through google seems to find nothing more solid. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:43, 12 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep or Merge (see update below August 28) to PEN/ESPN Award for Literary Sports Writing. It's a brand new award so has not established much coverage, yet, but will with time as all the PEN awards do. Article contains a diversity of secondary source coverage (online news and published book) that establish notability. The amount of money an award pays is irrelevant to notability, many important awards pay little to nothing (and many high paying awards are obscure). The PEN award winners are widely reported in the press every year, even this brand new one has been reported in LA Times, New Yorker and Publishers Weekly. Green Cardamom (talk) 14:45, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Most of the coverage is passing mentions in coverage of other awards (that are notable) and the not yet arguement is classic WP:CRYSTAL/WP:TOOSOON. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:25, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Secondary sources exists both online and in published book form so CRYSTAL and TOOSOON don't apply. Green Cardamom (talk) 03:28, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. The monetary value of the prize is really not that relevant to judge its importance. The Prix Goncourt, the most prestigious French literary award, is worth only 10 Euros. The PEN organisation, however, is a notable institution, so this article's contents would probably be better served if they are incorporated in the existing PEN/ESPN Award for Literary Sports Writing article.--Zananiri (talk) 15:43, 18 August 2012 (UTC)


 * • Gene93k (talk) 19:51, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * • Gene93k (talk) 19:51, 12 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 15:15, 19 August 2012 (UTC)




 * I am actually of the opinion that both this page and the PEN/ESPN Award for Literary Sports Writing page should be deleted and all these prizes listed in a new section in the PEN American Center article. Why have separate pages for these prizes when the PEN American Center article already exists? Duplication seems superfluous!--Zananiri (talk) 19:14, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Literary awards have their own articles on Wikipedia (browse through Category:Literary awards). They are more than a list of winners, it's categories, award history, info boxes, controversies, etc.. You could make a case to aggregate but precedent is otherwise, for example List of ALA awards. It would be mess to try and aggregate them for a number of reasons (article length alone would dictate splitting up, as would Categories, infoboxes, award history, logos etc). It's been a long term project to create the PEN articles, and to continue working on them. Green Cardamom (talk) 19:54, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Some awards have their own articles. Others, which don't have the coverage are aggregated. See New Zealand Post Children's Book Awards, Prince of Asturias Awards, Lannan Literary Awards and Queensland Premier's Literary Awards for example. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:35, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Correct said above it could make sense, in this case, to aggregate the Literary Sports Writing award with the Lifetime Achievement Award since they have the same sponsor (ESPN) and I believe handed out at the same ceremony and so on. Coverage though I think the article shows enough to support separate articles but I don't really care one way or another, it's a clumping/splitting preference. Green Cardamom (talk) 21:28, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -Scottywong | talk _ 21:48, 27 August 2012 (UTC)




 * Delete - I've re-created the content in PEN/ESPN Award for Literary Sports Writing (an effective merge). Since I am the only one who voted "Keep" above this should be uncontroversial and resolve this AfD hopefully. Green Cardamom (talk) 01:24, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.