Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PST Trier Stampers


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The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 19:37, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

PST Trier Stampers

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This American football club is non-notable. The highest level it has competed in so far is the Regionalliga, which is the third highest division of American football leagues in Germany, and which isn't a professional semi-professional league. Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 18:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC) Changed my reasoning per my first comment below. Having participated in a semi-professional league would, in my eyes, be enough to constitute notability. I still don't see that they have done that, though. --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 19:21, 19 December 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 01:10, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see why the third league shouldn't be implemented. It seems to me as if they were playing an important role in Rhineland-Palatine and are one of the oldest still existing teams in Germany. On the list of American Football Teams in Germany, there are even worse teams with a Wikipedia entry. Trier's soccer team also plays in the third highest league. --79.206.27.80 (talk) 18:13, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions.  —Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 18:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions.  —Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 18:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
 * Comment Of those even less notable clubs on the list of American football teams in Germany, only one had had an article, which has been deleted. Unless it is not the oldest American football club in Germany, I also don't see why that should be taken into account. And while the German third tier of (association) football still is a professional league (btw, Eintracht Trier currently plays in the fourth highest division, but has also played in the second division), the third tier of American football leagues in Germany certainly is not. In the German wikipedia, having participated in a semi-professional league already is enough to prove a sports club's notability, so I assume this is the case in the English-language version, too (since I could not find any guideline referring to this, and there are articles on association football clubs that haven't participated in a higher tier than the Oberliga, which is semi-professional). So any hint that the American football Regionalliga of Germany is semi-professional (or rather, has been so in 2000) would change my opinion concerning the club's notability. --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 13:05, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   07:14, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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 * Delete. The three Google News hits show only local interest. Abductive  (reasoning) 13:53, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, to be fair, you cannot judge the club's notability just on their status in recent years. In 1999 they were close to getting promoted to the 2. Bundesliga, which in my eyes would have made them notable. So the question is if that achievement, or maybe something else in their history that I've missed, constitutes enough notability or not. --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 19:13, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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