Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pace Tower


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. No evidence of this passing the GNG has been presented. &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  essay  // 06:58, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Pace Tower

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Article about an apartment tower in Lahore, Pakistan. Article claims this building is finished now with two non-reputable sources. All I could find is this is an building site, with no evidence if this is under construction or an abandoned shell. Can anybody proof? Ben Ben (talk) 19:26, 13 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Ben Ben (talk) 19:36, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Ben Ben (talk) 19:40, 13 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Here is the proof http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=214645 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohsin17 (talk • contribs) 05:19, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Your source states, that it is a construction site. Since 2004 untill now. Your article claims, that it is a finished building. Someone is lying here, or doesn't get it. --Ben Ben (talk) 20:31, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment The sourcing is poor. Skyscrapercity is a forum and therefore not a reliable source, the two other sources are closely related to the project.  The CTBUH's skyscraper center doesn't list it, but there is a listing at Emporis showing it under construction.  There is also photos of a building site on Google Maps.  Does it exist? Yes; Do reliable sources show it exists? Yes; Does that alone make it notable? Not so sure.  It is worth noting that South Asia is particularly poorly served with reliable sources.  Astronaut (talk) 00:38, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Thanks for your comment. I have asked the author directly, why he is doing this. --Ben Ben (talk) 02:47, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I think your suggestion that Mohsin17 might be a sock of Nabil rais2008 is unwarranted. Until the unfortunate incident that led to him being indef blocked, Nabil rais had a pretty good record (in my opinion) as an editor with several thousand edits to his name.  He certainly wouldn't make such a rookie mistake as using WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS as a keep rationale or citing an unreliable source in an AfD.  Astronaut (talk) 12:47, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The discussion about sockism is on Mohsin17 talk page. Probably two different users, they both came from the same forum and have similar problems to distinct facts from fantasy. Writing an article about a building, stating that it is finished although it is a	building shell or not even started is a strange behaviour for an author in an encyclopedia. That is WP:FANCRUFT and should stay in their forum. --Ben Ben (talk) 13:36, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I haved worked a bit on the article. Inserted your emporis.com source, deleted the non-reliable from the forum, changed status from finished to under constrution, corrected the hight (76 m, not 88m) and the completion date (unknown instead of 2013). So, the article isn't anymore a fan project. Is this enough to establish WP:GNG? Don't know, an admin has to decide that. I'm not really interested in that (why do I do that actually?). BTW, user:Nabil rais2008 indef block has been shortend to 3 months. Our author here, User:Mohsin17 is most likely a reincarnation of the indefed User:Muhammad Mohsin Farooq. --Ben Ben (talk) 19:17, 19 October 2013 (UTC)


 * you can see it through google satellites pace tower is topped out... you can visit the buiding ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohsin17 (talk • contribs) 11:51, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 02:14, 21 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, we all can see the pictures that it is under construction. The remaining question is, if this is enough to pass the threshold of the General notability guideline? Please do me the favour and start to read this guideline, understanding it is essentiell for deletion discussions. --Ben Ben (talk) 19:04, 21 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete per the above discussion which shows we cannot establish whether this is actually a building that exists. Candleabracadabra (talk) 22:32, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

It has all the information... Mohsin17 (talk) 14:48, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, here is the proof that it is toppe out and is taller than 90 meters,
 * http://www.ugo.cn/photo/PK/en/27880.htm
 * http://www.urbanpk.com/forums/index.php/topic/238-lahore-pace-towers/
 * We have measured its length. Unfortunately, we (Pakistanis) have poor internet service and do not make more websites. Internet service is still expensive here.
 * Comment I'm not sure either of those sites meet the requirement for reliable sources and even if they were reliable, I'm still not convinced the building meets the requuirements of the General notability guideline. Astronaut (talk) 15:42, 28 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Weak keep - this is not my default reaction to tall buildings articles at AfD - they are often one among dozens in cities where online news sources are numerous. However, in this case this is probably the second tallest building in the second largest city in Pakistan. There are one or two news sources available which point to its importance. Granted, there are some daft sources used in the article, for example photos on forums, which should be removed. Sionk (talk) 22:55, 30 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. I searched three Pakistani news websites for ("pace building") and ("pace tower").  At the Express Tribune website, a search for ("pace tower") produced no results; a search for ("pace building") produced a single hit, a six-paragraph piece (cited in AfD candidate article) on fire-safety inspections that mentioned the Pace Building only once, in a list of five buildings that'd been inspected.  Searching the Daily Times website turned up only a 2004 story, cited in the article, announcing that construction would start soon; there's apparently been no coverage in the DT since then.  Searching the Dawn website produced no results at all.  Given the apparent dearth of coverage in Pakistan, I'd say that this fails GNG.  Ammodramus (talk) 18:13, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
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